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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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well Happy New Year neighbors our first

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show for 2011 the co-host is Chris

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O'Brien to bring things together for me

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and a little bit later on we'll be

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introducing our special guest who is

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believe it or not a real scientist a

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plasma physicist Wow

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you know this is not one of these woulda

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coulda should have been a scientist this

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guy is the real thing we'll get into

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that a little bit later what's

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interesting to me is that looking over

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the UFO and paranormal fields for 2010

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and Chris feel free to correct me if you

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think I'm wrong I don't see all that

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much progress I mean the book from

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Leslie Kane on UFOs for a while you know

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it made it as a New York Times

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bestseller display some of those

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conservative political books and got in

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there and she even got on Fox News you

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know the bastion of conservative talk

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and the book did well got very positive

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reaction but it doesn't seem to have

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made a long-range impact am I wrong

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I think you're I think you're right I

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think it did break through that that

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ceiling in terms of mainstream media but

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in terms of mainstream ufology there was

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very little new information in there she

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basically laid out some pretty

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well-known cases but but did a very good

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job of putting them together all in one

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place and and I think that it's

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important that a book like that first of

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all came out in hardened hardcover and

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second of all was at least it gets some

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some notice by the mainstream media of

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course you know with everything in this

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field it's three steps forward two steps

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back I think we're making progress with

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books like Leslie's in but again it's

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you know it's like salmon struggling up

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upriver to spawn where we're still we're

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still struggling to to get the word out

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to turn people's heads around out in the

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mainstream and to get people really

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mobilized to you know create a

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groundswell of interest in the

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scientific community and among the

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mainstream that's always been the

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problem that's what major Keyhoe major

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Donald Keogh in the 1950s was trying to

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do the very same thing

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and it was in fits and starts maybe I

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think he may progress there was a lot of

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attention about UFOs but then of course

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we'd reached a fever pitch in the 60s

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they had the Condon report a died and

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the 70s it came back again

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you had the movie Close Encounters of

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the Third Kind and et and then kind of

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disappeared again and it always comes in

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cycles and you wonder if you're ever

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gonna get to the top of the mountain you

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know well like I said three steps

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forward two steps back I think tonight's

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guest dr. Brandenburg will is I think a

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good example of an open-minded scientist

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who's willing to look at things with

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more of an open mind as not as in a

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place of fear about addressing certain

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subjects and I think we're gonna have a

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really very enlightening and an engaging

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conversation with with a true with the

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truth you know space scientists this is

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gonna be fun well and this is

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interesting the book's title is life and

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death on Mars the new Mars synthesis and

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what's interesting to me is how Mars has

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played such a role in the UFO field I

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mean if you go back to the 50s and major

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he was speculating in his books that

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maybe ufos came from Mars this was at a

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time that we thought maybe there could

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be it could be inhabited by intelligent

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beings we're not talking about microbes

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we're not talking about arsenic based

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microbes talking about intelligent

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beings you were thinking of Edgar Rice

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Burroughs and Barsoom and John Carter of

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Mars and by the way ladies and gentlemen

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there is a movie they're making of John

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Carter of Mars it's going to be out what

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this year the next year or something

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like that

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so it kind of brings it all home but

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what is interesting to me for having a

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scientists like dr. Brandenburg on the

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show is to also not just explore his

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theories about the history of Mars and

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what it might have happened but also ask

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him about some of those Mars legends

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that we talked about from time to time

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well yeah the whole Cydonia a

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controversy that erupted back in 76 and

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continued through the last 20 years

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we've 25 years we've we've seen quite

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bit of of people addressing the whole

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plains of Cydonia Richard Hoagland macto

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neighs and others I think this is going

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to be a really good opportunity for the

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para cast audience out there to bounce

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some of these scenarios and and

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questions off somebody who really does

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know what they're talking about he's a

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plasma physicist he's been in the

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aerospace industry for four decades and

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he's just a perfect guest for us to ask

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these Martian based questions up and

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because he's a real scientist and not

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just a speculator or would-be or a

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wannabe you know don't expect his

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answers are gonna be what you want to

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hear oh you know it might happen I don't

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know one can only hope you know I don't

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know what he's gonna say he may think

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that you know we're just a couple of

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laymen who don't know anything about

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anything

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and he's going to correct us real fast

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well I don't mind that I jeez I'm one

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last person to think that I know I know

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everything I'm always open for expertise

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to you know help form my thinking and

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help correct my thinking so I'm looking

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forward to asking some some probing

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questions and getting some real you know

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up to speed answers reminds me of back

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in Brooklyn New York back in the 50s and

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60s the mailman was the kind of guy that

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you don't have anymore

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he would know all the neighbors he'd

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know all the people who lived in an

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apartment Hey look at me and says you're

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gonna be a professor and I said no I'm

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not you know I wanted to be a radio

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broadcaster from the time I was a

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teenager I wanted to be a radio

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broadcaster not that I didn't want to be

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I can take all your professor now but

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else know you call me a professor of

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ignorance that's the best I can do folks

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sir I don't know anything I profess

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ignorance that's right the problem is

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here in the UFO field we have people who

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sometimes think they're being profound

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think that they have the answers and

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they don't know that they're professing

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ignorance at least I know I admitted

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upfront I say hey folks I don't know all

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the answers we here are the power cast

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are not preaching to you okay we may

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have guests who do that

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but I'm not preaching I know Chris is

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and preaching Nick Redfern not Greg

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Bishop you know the predecessors who

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came here in the power cast and remember

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in February it'll be five years since

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this show began and none of us none of

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us thank you sir

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none of us none of us have ever said we

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know the answers and if we ever do you

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say that turning the radio off yeah if

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we say hey we got the clue man we know

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what's going on we know what it's all

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about we know it's a time for us to get

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off the stage because we've jumped the

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shark or if we start prophesizing sighs

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about Apple Computer you know Apple

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incorporated I'll suggest hey folks I

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think I know what Apple is up to I think

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I know what kind of products are gonna

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have and I'll speculate about that you

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know I'll do that but it's gonna be kind

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of educated speculation because I've

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been writing about the subject for over

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20 years so maybe I know a little bit

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you know imanakum not enough to run a

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multinational corporation that makes

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what 60 or 70 billion dollars a year has

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a stock price of $325 a share I don't

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claim to do that you know

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let's Steve Jobs do that but but what's

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nice about being a commentator is I

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could say something and I don't have to

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be accountable hey it's just an opinion

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it's an informed opinion though as

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you're pointing out as I said I am a

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professor of ignorance and I gotta

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remember that one like that huh like I

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said I do that's that's clever very

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clever gene actually I stole that from

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Long John Neville okay original keep no

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I don't pretend to be original you know

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I think that's one of the things that

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people like to think you know hey this

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guy is pertaining to be original and he

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has all the answers now you know I mean

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we all are influenced by people over the

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years I've listened to talk show hosts

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I don't listen today to paranormal radio

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shows not because I don't appreciate

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what these people are doing I think some

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are really dedicated and some are really

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nice people it's because I don't want

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what I do on the air to be tampered with

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influenced altered whatever that kind of

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thing I don't listen to talk radio

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especially in the realm of the

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paranormal very rarely because I break

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out in this weird rash and I I don't

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have the right calamine lotion or

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something to eradicate it they've got

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this one which is colorless it doesn't

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put out that pink tinge on your skin

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we'll talk about that dr. John

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Brandenburg joining us next on the

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podcast I'm gene Steinberg the co-host

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Chris O'Brien you're in the para cast

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John Brandenburg he says we can call him

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John yes he's a very friendly guy and

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he's a real scientist I mean he's a

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plasma physicist okay and before we ask

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about anything else and we hear about

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all these kinds of physicists out there

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what pray tell is a plasma physicist

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what does that mean well plasma is the

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for state of matter

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it's the Aurora the lightning bolt the

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Sun all the stars are made of plasma

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it's it's a gas that is so hot that the

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electrons come off the atoms and they

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for me it's a gas of plus and minus

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charges so it conducts electricity it

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glows and it's 99% of the matter in the

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universe so I I guess by being a plasma

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physicist I take that as a license to

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study the entire universe oh wow yeah

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how did you get involved in that did you

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grow up and say I want to be a scientist

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I want to be a physicist did you get

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right into it in what yeah I did I was

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fascinated with electricity and

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magnetism when I was a child and

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anything electrical I would try and take

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it apart from 2 years old it was my my

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uncle was a nuclear physicist who work

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on the Manhattan Project so he was my

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inspiration and he was just a wonderful

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human being and very much encouraged me

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but I went into plasma physics because I

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wanted to

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solve the energy crisis back in 70s so

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we were working on nuclear controlled

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nuclear fusion trapping trying to creat

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create the center of a star on earth

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using a woven magnetic model to hold the

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plasma like a tokamak you've heard of

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those as big doughnut shaped machines I

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worked on things like that

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whatever happened to nuclear power it

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kind of died anyway with these nuclear

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accidents did that kill the industries

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it's poised for a comeback is that going

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to really happen

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I believe so because we I do believe

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they go out with pumping all the carbon

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dioxide in the atmosphere is is not good

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for the planet

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I think we're throwing the planet out of

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balance and that means that we have to

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find a power source that doesn't produce

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carbon dioxide and and nuclear power is

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an obvious obvious one that works it's a

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it's been around for a long time and

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countries like France and Japan get 80%

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of their power now for blue clear power

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you don't hear to be access over there

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they run their their systems much better

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than them like Three Mile Island was

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rotten was by a private company that was

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rushing its plant online for tax

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purposes and even Ralph Nader had warned

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them that this particular plant was very

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problem prone and in the end they did

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almost everything possible to destroy

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the plant and it still didn't succeed I

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mean the core melted but and there was

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no there was no breach of containment we

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didn't have loads of people running

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well you know you have your choice of

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disasters if we if global warming

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becomes a reality

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obviously this winter it doesn't look

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like a great danger but if we start

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getting very bad hurricane seasons and

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droughts and everything like that and

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people wonder why didn't we do something

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earlier unfortunately if we wait till we

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start seeing signs of global warming

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then it'd probably be too late

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also with nuclear present it's not

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something you can just build in a year

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or two it takes a number of years to

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really assemble those things right

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yes but they've been doing a long time

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and like I said you know the France

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French and the Japanese seem to have no

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trouble at all running 80 percent of

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their power grid off of nuclear power

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plants I mean it it can't be that hard

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if the French and the Japanese are doing

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it well that's true depending on what

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your viewpoint about the french and

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japanese is of course of course the way

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france and japan are run if they had a

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problem you probably wouldn't hear about

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it in the newspaper

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there is no those countries who run

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unless but you haven't had any Chernobyl

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the Three Mile Island right at least say

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they've proper containment buildings

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unlike Chernobyl which was just an

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absolute - after Chernobyl an airplane

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hangar the reactor incited a very bad a

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very badly designed nuclear reactor was

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basically designed to produce plutonium

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as well as power and so it's a however

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we're going to have a new form of

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nuclear power coming online in the next

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couple of years

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it's called hybrid fission fusion and it

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yeah we're going to start using fusion

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reactors as cores for a it will be

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basically a tokamak a small tokamak that

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produces a lot of neutrons and that will

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be used to irradiated thorium or uranium

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shell to produce power and it'll be much

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cleaner much safer

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- to run and so it's like a hybrid I'll

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be talking about that what the ski is

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called hybrid hybrid nuclear power it's

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fusion fission hybrid and it's kind of

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been it's the idea has been around for a

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long time now that we've got fusion

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reactions running pretty well we can

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actually build it's it's very easy to

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build hybrid now we have all the

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technology we need let's take away from

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nuclear power plants to Mars now because

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it Mars to Mars and beyond now as you

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say because you cover 99% the universe

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you're allowed to cover Mars so yes I am

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Mars is too important to be left to Mars

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scientists as it turns out good answers

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Mars science community is extremely

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conservative and it's also apparently

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kind of tightly controlled because it's

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all funded by the government and the

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government dozen wants or lying the very

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inquiry to be pursued they just aren't

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pursued so the place is ripe for a

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revolution I was the first person to

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actually propose a motion on Mars at a

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scientific conference and it was well

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received and the reason I can do that is

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because I wasn't a member of the Mars

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community and so they couldn't they

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couldn't intimidate me they couldn't

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deny me grants they couldn't take you

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know or deny me tenure at the University

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so I just got up in front of these big

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audience and showed a big map with a big

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Mars ocean on it and every one window to

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nod and they asked me some friendly

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questions and then after that it was

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okay to talk about a Mars ocean I'd say

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well we'll get into more

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Mars oceans and a lot of other things

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including maybe the history of Mars what

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might have happened there long long ago

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in a galaxy not so far away we have dr.

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John Brandenburg our co-host is Chris

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O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg you're in the

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[Music]

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Ray Perkins a reclusive veteran burned

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out from the Gulf War lives tortured by

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connector that I plug into my computer

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to dr. John Brandenburg and he has a new

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book coming out in February which is

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called the new Mars synthesis and we're

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talking about how he got his interest in

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Mars as you say being a plasma physicist

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who can write about or study 99% of the

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universe because you're not strictly an

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astronomer you can get away with things

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that maybe other people can't so let's

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talk about the ocean on Mars what are we

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talking about maybe transplanting the

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Atlantic Ocean there or what it was it

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covered about a quarter of the planet

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and it's on if you look at maps of Mars

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you'll notice there's a big smooth area

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with very real craters on it wrapped

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around the northern quarter of the

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planet and apparently that's where the

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ocean was it's the deepest part of large

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you know to lowest elevation and the

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turns out the landscape changes

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dramatically all the way around the

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planet at a common elevation line which

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just happens to be what's called a zero

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kilometer line on Mars they set that

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arbitrarily cuz demonstrated pressure or

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reached a certain point and so they just

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called it the zero kilometer line and it

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turns out it's when it also cones

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coincides or replaced

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the landscape changes dramatically from

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premium rugged with a lot of craters to

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suddenly smooth but no craters as if in

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have been sitting there and erased all

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the craters turning to mud it sounds

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like a shoreline it is a shoreline it's

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and it's it's easy to see I mean it was

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it was sort of like walking up to a

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blackboard where there's an equation

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written says two plus two equals and you

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just wrote in four and everyone was

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shocked because there's this because if

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you people are very sensitive about Mars

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having biology on it so if you put an

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ocean on Mars that automatically means

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biology when you have liquid water

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especially a large body of liquid water

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on planet that means an atmospheric and

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temperature conditions have to be very

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similar to earth it basically defines an

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earth-like environment and the other

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thing about this ocean on Mars is this

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smoke ocean lasted most of Mars history

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it's not on the old part of Mars which

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is the south which is heavily cratered

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Highlands it's on the north part of Mars

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with hardly any craters and this means

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this planet had an ocean for most of its

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geologic history and it also means they

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probably had things swimming in that

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ocean for most of its geologic history

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okay you raise the question what coming

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there intelligent things or what well I

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would four billion years over flight

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conditions means that you could have

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have not just biology but evolution on

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Mars so there's really no limit you can

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place on the development that marking

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you could have evidence load numerous

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times absolutely

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Mars is close to the asteroid belt so

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it's going to get a lot more big impacts

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than happened earth

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we have several periods on earth where

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almost everything that were alive died a

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great Permian extinction and then of

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course the the six alluvial damp that

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wiped out the dinosaurs

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was believed to be an asteroid impact

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the Permian extinction also was supposed

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to be an asteroid impact Mars probably

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have that happen more often so you

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probably had a very interesting

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00:31:52,650 --> 00:31:48,220
biological history we're probably a lot

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00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:52,660
of mass extinctions and apparently one

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final mass extinction that turned Mars

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into what it is today instead of what it

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00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:01,300
used to be which was 11 or like looking

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00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:03,730
planet do we have a sense of how long

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00:32:10,740 --> 00:32:06,570
ago in history this might have happened

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00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:10,750
yes it it will be approximately half a

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00:32:17,250 --> 00:32:14,410
billion years ago was where a very large

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00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:17,260
impact happen on Mars they created

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00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:20,170
what's called the Leo impact Basin it's

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in the north of Mars it's right on the

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00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:26,080
ocean shoreline and if you have an ocean

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on Mars and that can act as a big gas

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00:32:36,540 --> 00:32:33,250
reservoir and the big thermal reservoir

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so if there's it's hard to have a sudden

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00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:38,260
ice age if you have up they got warm

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00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:41,110
ocean but if you have a large enough

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00:32:47,460 --> 00:32:44,460
impact the ocean will freeze over and

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you will have a climatic catastrophe

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00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:49,780
Carl Sagan ironically was the first

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00:32:55,860 --> 00:32:52,710
person to figure out that if you had a

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00:32:59,280 --> 00:32:55,870
large greenhouse a co2 greenhouse on

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00:33:01,710 --> 00:32:59,290
Mars like there is on Venus that because

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00:33:04,170 --> 00:33:01,720
of Mars conditions that if you get a big

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00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:04,180
killing event on Mars that whole

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00:33:09,860 --> 00:33:06,910
atmosphere can collapse into dry ice on

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the poles in other words there's a

732
00:33:15,810 --> 00:33:13,480
situation on Mars where if you have a

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lot of carbon dioxide you can either

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00:33:20,250 --> 00:33:17,650
have a warm dense atmosphere that wraps

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00:33:23,490 --> 00:33:20,260
a lot of heat and has high atmospheric

736
00:33:26,580 --> 00:33:23,500
pressure like the earth probably will

737
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also with oxygen nitrogen we gonna move

738
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:28,840
yeah with no PA the ocean would be a

739
00:33:35,310 --> 00:33:30,730
carbonic acid ocean it would be like

740
00:33:38,490 --> 00:33:35,320
soda water but but the problem with that

741
00:33:40,260 --> 00:33:38,500
is that even an ocean full of soda water

742
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:40,270
or gas or other warm

743
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:43,330
if something like a large asteroid

744
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:47,650
impact happens then the temperatures

745
00:33:50,970 --> 00:33:49,210
drop all the way around the planet and

746
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:50,980
the poles they drop below the

747
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:53,770
temperature where dry ice will form and

748
00:33:57,330 --> 00:33:55,120
the entire atmosphere can just

749
00:34:00,150 --> 00:33:57,340
crystallize out in one giant snowstorm

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00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:00,160
so basically the place is not stable

751
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:04,000
enough to support advanced civilization

752
00:34:09,780 --> 00:34:06,850
it just stays well earrings are too

753
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:09,790
often if you have too much climatic

754
00:34:14,370 --> 00:34:12,310
disruption you don't have a chance

755
00:34:22,260 --> 00:34:14,380
probably for in the advanced life to

756
00:34:25,140 --> 00:34:22,270
form it say however it appears that Mars

757
00:34:28,770 --> 00:34:25,150
had a pretty stable climate despite

758
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:28,780
these effects for long periods billions

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00:34:36,060 --> 00:34:33,490
of years and until this one final

760
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:36,070
catastrophe happened and it what's

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00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:37,570
interesting is that Carl Sagan was

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00:34:42,570 --> 00:34:39,810
actually able person to find this out

763
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:42,580
many times in this investigation I

764
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:44,170
thought I'd found something do and I'd

765
00:34:49,710 --> 00:34:46,960
look up and find that Carl Sagan had

766
00:34:52,530 --> 00:34:49,720
found it out first so Carl Sagan was

767
00:34:54,450 --> 00:34:52,540
actually a superb scientist you know

768
00:34:57,330 --> 00:34:54,460
people tend to think of he was kind of

769
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:57,340
just mr. billions and billions but he

770
00:35:03,240 --> 00:34:59,200
did a lot of very good work particularly

771
00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:03,250
on the from the greenhouse on Venus he

772
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:06,310
was mr. greenhouse he also found out

773
00:35:14,190 --> 00:35:10,720
that Mars is red due to highly oxidized

774
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:14,200
iron and suggested that it had an oxygen

775
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:17,530
atmosphere in the past like Earth if you

776
00:35:22,980 --> 00:35:20,490
look at pictures of Earth from space

777
00:35:24,900 --> 00:35:22,990
pictures are like I'm lisajarrad desert

778
00:35:28,050 --> 00:35:24,910
it's probably red where there's no

779
00:35:30,510 --> 00:35:28,060
clouds or vegetation or water there are

780
00:35:32,340 --> 00:35:30,520
surfaces bright red just like Mars and

781
00:35:35,010 --> 00:35:32,350
red for the same reason because of all

782
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:35,020
iron in the soil it's highly oxidized

783
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:41,530
and so Mars gives evidence that it had

784
00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:45,760
an oxygen atmosphere in the past and it

785
00:35:50,610 --> 00:35:46,710
had an ocean

786
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:50,620
therefore it's pretty fair to say it had

787
00:35:55,980 --> 00:35:53,650
lots of life on it in fact

788
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:55,990
if you have an oxygen component in the

789
00:36:01,620 --> 00:35:58,330
atmosphere the carbon dioxide which

790
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:01,630
forms carbonic acid can't form limestone

791
00:36:07,230 --> 00:36:04,960
with rocks it's the oxygen actually

792
00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:07,240
stabilizes at the situation chemically

793
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:09,250
so basically the issue here is that

794
00:36:17,180 --> 00:36:12,160
because Mars was not stable

795
00:36:19,740 --> 00:36:17,190
they couldn't sustain any particular

796
00:36:23,010 --> 00:36:19,750
environment atmospheric environment to

797
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:23,020
allow for advanced life forms to live

798
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:25,210
long and prosper and flourish well they

799
00:36:29,090 --> 00:36:26,800
certainly aren't living long and

800
00:36:31,710 --> 00:36:29,100
prospering now we'll have to talk about

801
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:31,720
and also I want to ask you about some of

802
00:36:36,090 --> 00:36:34,210
the legends of Mars that are so

803
00:36:37,530 --> 00:36:36,100
fascinating to everyone the book which

804
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:37,540
is coming out in February is called the

805
00:36:42,780 --> 00:36:40,330
new Mars synthesis and of course this is

806
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:42,790
about the life and death of Mars dr.

807
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:45,520
John Brandenburg is our guest our

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00:36:57,180 --> 00:36:47,680
co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

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[Music]

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00:37:07,130 --> 00:37:04,970
is there a secret UFO agenda to strange

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creatures from the darkest corners of

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the mind roam the earth is there

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we returned to Mars the red planet with

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dr. John Brandenburg I'm gene Steinberg

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00:41:31,710 --> 00:41:28,810
Rakow host is Chris O'Brien you're in

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the para cast Chris how about picking up

904
00:41:35,550 --> 00:41:34,180
on this you know I had a chance to to

905
00:41:38,370 --> 00:41:35,560
get most of the way through the book

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00:41:41,310 --> 00:41:38,380
because we kind of did have you on the

907
00:41:43,410 --> 00:41:41,320
show sort of a last minute I wasn't able

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00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:43,420
to uh spend spend the amount of time on

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some of the the denser portions of the

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book where you go into some of the

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chemistry and other other more

912
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scientific elements in terms of the

913
00:41:58,380 --> 00:41:56,110
information in the book I tried a little

914
00:42:00,210 --> 00:41:58,390
too much science science well that's

915
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what I was gonna say I'm gonna say if I

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had had just an extra couple three hours

917
00:42:05,070 --> 00:42:03,730
I would have been able I think to get a

918
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:05,080
little bit more in depth in the book I

919
00:42:09,180 --> 00:42:07,690
do recommend it highly to our listeners

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00:42:12,620 --> 00:42:09,190
out there this is probably the most

921
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:12,630
comprehensive look at the unfolding of

922
00:42:17,250 --> 00:42:15,370
human knowledge about Mars in scientific

923
00:42:20,700 --> 00:42:17,260
knowledge about Mars and there's some

924
00:42:23,540 --> 00:42:20,710
very fascinating sidebar plot lines and

925
00:42:25,980 --> 00:42:23,550
and and subplots in the book concerning

926
00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:25,990
you know the space program and how we

927
00:42:30,210 --> 00:42:28,510
have slowly been peeling back the layers

928
00:42:31,740 --> 00:42:30,220
of the onion scientifically of the

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planet and one of the things I'd like to

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00:42:38,220 --> 00:42:35,230
have you address is how the the

931
00:42:41,850 --> 00:42:38,230
discovery of the Martian meteorites

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00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:41,860
which are fairly fairly rare on this

933
00:42:47,580 --> 00:42:45,040
planet but how that whole scenario ties

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00:42:50,010 --> 00:42:47,590
into what we know about the planet and

935
00:42:53,310 --> 00:42:50,020
how some of the cataclysmic events on

936
00:42:55,140 --> 00:42:53,320
Mars could somehow be tied into some

937
00:42:59,010 --> 00:42:55,150
cataclysmic events that have happened on

938
00:43:01,560 --> 00:42:59,020
the earth yes well we know that we have

939
00:43:03,090 --> 00:43:01,570
about a dozen meteorites that have been

940
00:43:05,850 --> 00:43:03,100
recovered on earth that are actually

941
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:05,860
from Mars and it was kind of a Sherlock

942
00:43:10,350 --> 00:43:08,560
Holmes detective story to figure out

943
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:10,360
that these these things were from Mars

944
00:43:15,870 --> 00:43:12,850
the one of the most famous ones is the

945
00:43:17,610 --> 00:43:15,880
only only meteorite known to have killed

946
00:43:20,910 --> 00:43:17,620
a living thing on earth they killed a

947
00:43:22,890 --> 00:43:20,920
dog in Egypt and it was in this

948
00:43:25,260 --> 00:43:22,900
meteorite out of the millions of

949
00:43:28,130 --> 00:43:25,270
meteorites that come come - from outer

950
00:43:31,500 --> 00:43:28,140
space this one happened to be from Mars

951
00:43:34,140 --> 00:43:31,510
so it tells you Mars has bad karma right

952
00:43:37,650 --> 00:43:34,150
off the bat but or the

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00:43:39,059 --> 00:43:37,660
to Godhead did I keep in barking at the

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moon the previous night or something

955
00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:42,809
like that he was born on a wrong planet

956
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:47,049
yes I regard as very humorous its

957
00:43:50,539 --> 00:43:49,210
rapport with the dog I killed by a rock

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00:43:53,789 --> 00:43:50,549
from Mars

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00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:53,799
especially because Mars meteorites are

960
00:43:57,329 --> 00:43:54,609
quite rare

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00:44:00,589 --> 00:43:57,339
however Mars is next to the asteroid

962
00:44:02,940 --> 00:44:00,599
belt so a big rock will hit Mars

963
00:44:05,370 --> 00:44:02,950
periodically and throw smaller rocks

964
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from Mars surface clear into orbit

965
00:44:10,410 --> 00:44:07,720
around the Sun and eventually ending up

966
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on earth these rocks are giving us

967
00:44:15,269 --> 00:44:12,730
basically free samples of the Martian

968
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surface and one of the amazing things

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00:44:20,730 --> 00:44:17,740
about these rocks is they're almost all

970
00:44:26,039 --> 00:44:20,740
of them are quite young geologically

971
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they're they range from 1 billion to 200

972
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:28,809
million years old for the most part if I

973
00:44:32,940 --> 00:44:30,010
only found one

974
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:32,950
the dates from the very ancient part of

975
00:44:39,630 --> 00:44:34,720
Mars four and a half billion years old

976
00:44:42,359 --> 00:44:39,640
so automatically it looks like Mars is

977
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:42,369
much younger has a much younger surface

978
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:44,640
than we originally thought

979
00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:47,410
once again I walked into a room when

980
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:50,710
here was two plus two equals and I wrote

981
00:44:56,940 --> 00:44:54,400
four again I pointed out that this means

982
00:45:00,839 --> 00:44:56,950
Mars surface as young and several other

983
00:45:03,779 --> 00:45:00,849
people picked up on that so it's a great

984
00:45:07,650 --> 00:45:03,789
opportunity for a kind of bomb throwing

985
00:45:11,490 --> 00:45:07,660
anarchist like me but right same time

986
00:45:14,609 --> 00:45:11,500
we've now detected life signs in

987
00:45:17,279 --> 00:45:14,619
meteorites and it's not just in one

988
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:17,289
meteorite it so now almost all of them

989
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:20,319
have signs that there was liquid water

990
00:45:26,549 --> 00:45:24,490
and biology in the living in the rocks

991
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:26,559
before they were tossed into space and

992
00:45:33,470 --> 00:45:30,010
arrived on earth so let me ask you a

993
00:45:36,420 --> 00:45:33,480
question John wider why then not

994
00:45:38,670 --> 00:45:36,430
speculate that some of that life became

995
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:38,680
intelligent became advanced maybe they

996
00:45:43,289 --> 00:45:40,690
left Mars when they knew these

997
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:43,299
cataclysms were imminent and they didn't

998
00:45:46,620 --> 00:45:45,760
want a sensation destroyed by the old

999
00:45:50,549 --> 00:45:46,630
legends

1000
00:45:54,089 --> 00:45:50,559
oh that's a very good question how what

1001
00:45:57,509 --> 00:45:54,099
level of evolution did life arrive at at

1002
00:46:01,410 --> 00:45:57,519
Mars as you know I was involved in the

1003
00:46:03,180 --> 00:46:01,420
cydonia controversy face on Mars okay

1004
00:46:05,279 --> 00:46:03,190
that's a good point why don't you tell

1005
00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:05,289
our listeners about that obviously we

1006
00:46:09,450 --> 00:46:07,089
have heard what Richard Hoagland who

1007
00:46:12,690 --> 00:46:09,460
would like to be a doctor but is not has

1008
00:46:14,969 --> 00:46:12,700
said about this and we have not had him

1009
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:14,979
on the show and I think possibly because

1010
00:46:21,660 --> 00:46:17,410
we don't want to have somebody to yell

1011
00:46:24,450 --> 00:46:21,670
at I understand I considered a colbrunn

1012
00:46:27,749 --> 00:46:24,460
would be a very smart guy and I worked

1013
00:46:30,690 --> 00:46:27,759
with him convinced DiPietro Greg

1014
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:30,700
Molenaar and the original independent

1015
00:46:34,469 --> 00:46:32,890
Mars investigation and we ended up

1016
00:46:37,499 --> 00:46:34,479
presenting a paper the scientific

1017
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:37,509
conference on what we found and it

1018
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:40,960
caused quite a stir and that kind of

1019
00:46:51,180 --> 00:46:47,920
made the cydonia controversy and that if

1020
00:46:55,259 --> 00:46:51,190
you look at Cydonia large one looks like

1021
00:46:59,089 --> 00:46:55,269
a large archaeological monument mix near

1022
00:47:03,690 --> 00:46:59,099
- it is a large pyramid shaped thing and

1023
00:47:07,410 --> 00:47:03,700
so if you want to ask if you want to ask

1024
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:07,420
what level did life achieve on Mars

1025
00:47:13,529 --> 00:47:10,170
during this long period of Earth like

1026
00:47:16,529 --> 00:47:13,539
climate then you look at Cydonia and

1027
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:16,539
maybe that's your answer but Cydonia was

1028
00:47:21,509 --> 00:47:19,599
I wonder what that it was underwater it

1029
00:47:23,249 --> 00:47:21,519
was up in the northern part of the of

1030
00:47:25,410 --> 00:47:23,259
the pod no it would have been on the

1031
00:47:28,589 --> 00:47:25,420
ocean shoreline okay because it turns

1032
00:47:32,729 --> 00:47:28,599
out it would have been the Riviera bars

1033
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:32,739
basically it was right on the ocean

1034
00:47:40,229 --> 00:47:35,650
shoreline just above the zero kilometer

1035
00:47:44,489 --> 00:47:40,239
line as it turns out and it's that's

1036
00:47:47,039 --> 00:47:44,499
still all very controversial um I chose

1037
00:47:50,729 --> 00:47:47,049
in the book not to really talk about

1038
00:47:54,329 --> 00:47:50,739
Cydonia except just to mention it simply

1039
00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:54,339
because you could devote an entire book

1040
00:47:59,820 --> 00:47:55,510
to that

1041
00:48:03,030 --> 00:47:59,830
what is well accepted in Mars science

1042
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:03,040
now is that there was an ocean that

1043
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:06,130
ocean lasted a long time everything

1044
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:08,800
there finding with the Mars rovers is

1045
00:48:17,730 --> 00:48:14,250
supportive of that the Mars meteorites

1046
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:17,740
have evidence of being exposed to

1047
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:20,530
groundwater and it indicates there was

1048
00:48:26,550 --> 00:48:24,010
weather on Mars there was rainfall so

1049
00:48:29,070 --> 00:48:26,560
you had an entire weather cycle on Mars

1050
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:29,080
and because of the Mars rocks are fairly

1051
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:34,450
recent this all was occurring fairly

1052
00:48:40,290 --> 00:48:37,330
recent in geologic time at least up to

1053
00:48:42,930 --> 00:48:40,300
about half a million years ago now what

1054
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:42,940
happened on Mars since we know from the

1055
00:48:48,510 --> 00:48:45,490
Mars meteorites the things that impact

1056
00:48:51,660 --> 00:48:48,520
on Mars cause can toss rocks clear for

1057
00:48:54,930 --> 00:48:51,670
Mars to earth what happened when this

1058
00:48:56,700 --> 00:48:54,940
leal impact formed impact Basin form

1059
00:48:59,820 --> 00:48:56,710
which we can paid approximately about

1060
00:49:03,360 --> 00:48:59,830
half of the years ago his earth may have

1061
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:03,370
been showered with rocks or Mars that

1062
00:49:10,980 --> 00:49:06,850
carried rather sophisticated Martian

1063
00:49:13,710 --> 00:49:10,990
organisms here and what happened on the

1064
00:49:15,870 --> 00:49:13,720
earth at the same time as Mars may have

1065
00:49:18,690 --> 00:49:15,880
been perishing was what's called the

1066
00:49:23,250 --> 00:49:18,700
Precambrian explosion or suddenly an

1067
00:49:26,100 --> 00:49:23,260
enormous variety of strange life forms

1068
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:26,110
appeared on earth where before they'd

1069
00:49:31,890 --> 00:49:28,930
just been pretty much bacterial colonies

1070
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:31,900
that didn't do much suddenly there was

1071
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:37,930
this big blossoming of life-forms tell

1072
00:49:43,980 --> 00:49:41,200
them of them quite sophisticated and it

1073
00:49:45,390 --> 00:49:43,990
may have been an invasion for Mars now

1074
00:49:47,660 --> 00:49:45,400
you're the first person to my knowledge

1075
00:49:52,620 --> 00:49:47,670
that's ever really made that connection

1076
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:52,630
as anyone else are we we actually yes we

1077
00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:54,160
are the first people to a pointed this

1078
00:50:00,360 --> 00:49:58,240
out we actually pointed this out in the

1079
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:00,370
book dead Mars dying earth which we

1080
00:50:04,620 --> 00:50:02,050
published earlier but we didn't

1081
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:04,630
emphasize it it was actually picked up

1082
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:06,730
in the movie mission to Mars which had

1083
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:08,530
the big Mars face and they actually

1084
00:50:14,339 --> 00:50:09,490
showed that

1085
00:50:17,550 --> 00:50:14,349
and so we may be in fact Oh a lot of our

1086
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:17,560
biological heritage to Mars so we are

1087
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:24,210
the Martians we are we land on Mars

1088
00:50:30,210 --> 00:50:27,359
it'll be Martian life returning home

1089
00:50:34,140 --> 00:50:30,220
it's my belief there check that out para

1090
00:50:38,540 --> 00:50:34,150
casters okay we're gonna we're gonna go

1091
00:50:41,490 --> 00:50:38,550
up and restore Mars to life again

1092
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:41,500
now of course look at the movie remember

1093
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:43,570
that movie Total Recall there you go

1094
00:50:53,550 --> 00:50:50,170
mm-hmm yes yes we're we are I I think

1095
00:50:56,339 --> 00:50:53,560
there's a good scientific case that can

1096
00:51:01,710 --> 00:50:56,349
be made that we are at least part

1097
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:01,720
Martian in our genetic makeup and earth

1098
00:51:08,579 --> 00:51:04,800
was probably a fairly primitive place

1099
00:51:11,820 --> 00:51:08,589
while Mars was Mars being a smaller

1100
00:51:15,060 --> 00:51:11,830
planet formed quicker cooled off quicker

1101
00:51:18,599 --> 00:51:15,070
it was farther from the Sun so it

1102
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:18,609
actually probably achieved more what we

1103
00:51:22,770 --> 00:51:20,490
would call earth-like conditions earlier

1104
00:51:24,359 --> 00:51:22,780
what was less stable and that's

1105
00:51:26,310 --> 00:51:24,369
something we'll want to go into and more

1106
00:51:29,460 --> 00:51:26,320
tea right that was we proceed to the

1107
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:29,470
next portion of the show we have dr.

1108
00:51:34,290 --> 00:51:31,450
John Brandenburg the book coming out in

1109
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:34,300
February is called life and death on

1110
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:38,800
Mars the new Mars synthesis fascinating

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our co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

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1131
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1134
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1135
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welcome back to the podcast the gold

1142
00:53:07,970 --> 00:52:59,700
standard of paranormal radio and now

1143
00:53:09,950 --> 00:53:07,980
here's Jean Steinberg on our two of the

1144
00:53:12,620 --> 00:53:09,960
Power casts what a fast hour took almost

1145
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:12,630
40 minutes dr. John Brandenburg joining

1146
00:53:17,450 --> 00:53:15,119
us we're talking about the mysteries of

1147
00:53:20,029 --> 00:53:17,460
Mars the mysteries of Earth our co-host

1148
00:53:22,190 --> 00:53:20,039
is Chris O'Brien I'm Jean Steinberg

1149
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:22,200
you're in the power cast Chris why'd you

1150
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:24,480
pick up on this on this discussion well

1151
00:53:28,999 --> 00:53:26,400
this is really fascinating to me because

1152
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:29,009
if you look at some of the really good

1153
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:31,410
research that's been done including

1154
00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:34,559
yours the first quarter of the book goes

1155
00:53:41,150 --> 00:53:37,710
in into quite a bit of detail on the

1156
00:53:43,519 --> 00:53:41,160
role that the the whole concept of Mars

1157
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:43,529
has played in human culture and that's a

1158
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:45,599
fascinating subject just just you know

1159
00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:48,450
as a standalone subject but maybe

1160
00:53:54,140 --> 00:53:51,089
there's not only we're not only

1161
00:53:57,380 --> 00:53:54,150
genetically perhaps Martian but our

1162
00:54:00,349 --> 00:53:57,390
entire culture has been kind of drawn

1163
00:54:04,009 --> 00:54:00,359
and fixated on the planet Mars from

1164
00:54:05,900 --> 00:54:04,019
ancient times and Mars was the driver of

1165
00:54:10,370 --> 00:54:05,910
the scientific revolution because of its

1166
00:54:14,299 --> 00:54:10,380
peculiar orbit fascinated Kepler he and

1167
00:54:17,210 --> 00:54:14,309
even Copernicus was drawn to the

1168
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:17,220
heliocentric model of the solar system

1169
00:54:22,190 --> 00:54:20,490
by the orbit of Mars because for one

1170
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:22,200
thing it's very difficult to ignore this

1171
00:54:28,999 --> 00:54:26,160
big red star it appears and then

1172
00:54:30,769 --> 00:54:29,009
disappears Venus the evening star is

1173
00:54:33,170 --> 00:54:30,779
very beautiful but it pretty much stays

1174
00:54:34,460 --> 00:54:33,180
close to the Sun it's either in the

1175
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:34,470
morning or in the evening

1176
00:54:38,180 --> 00:54:36,690
it never gets far from the song and

1177
00:54:41,690 --> 00:54:38,190
doesn't change his brightness that much

1178
00:54:43,759 --> 00:54:41,700
but Mars goes from being very damp

1179
00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:43,769
almost you know disappearing for a while

1180
00:54:49,099 --> 00:54:45,960
behind the Sun to being brilliant

1181
00:54:51,730 --> 00:54:49,109
oh that's sunset it rises right at

1182
00:54:56,420 --> 00:54:51,740
sunset when it's in opposition and

1183
00:54:58,819 --> 00:54:56,430
several wars have started when Mars is

1184
00:55:02,950 --> 00:54:58,829
close to her like World War one for

1185
00:55:05,359 --> 00:55:02,960
instance and the Yom Kippur War in 1973

1186
00:55:06,580 --> 00:55:05,369
started when Mars was goes for the earth

1187
00:55:08,770 --> 00:55:06,590
string

1188
00:55:11,710 --> 00:55:08,780
coincidences or can we find some

1189
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:11,720
mystical connection oh it's it's very

1190
00:55:16,900 --> 00:55:14,240
mundane actually a lot of these people

1191
00:55:22,060 --> 00:55:16,910
especially dictators in the Middle East

1192
00:55:25,300 --> 00:55:22,070
and in Europe during early 1900's they

1193
00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:25,310
consult with astrologers and they felt

1194
00:55:28,810 --> 00:55:27,200
like having a war and Mars was close to

1195
00:55:33,340 --> 00:55:28,820
the earth or astrology sort of course

1196
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:33,350
egged him on saying Mars is favorable of

1197
00:55:40,450 --> 00:55:36,640
course Mars is the God of War God of War

1198
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:40,460
so how did that legend begin that Mars

1199
00:55:46,990 --> 00:55:43,570
was the God of War apparently in ancient

1200
00:55:48,790 --> 00:55:47,000
Egypt and Mesopotamia simply because of

1201
00:55:54,490 --> 00:55:48,800
the thread color one interesting

1202
00:55:56,590 --> 00:55:54,500
difference is the the Aztec you kind of

1203
00:55:58,060 --> 00:55:56,600
ignored Mars they looked at Venus which

1204
00:56:00,220 --> 00:55:58,070
is the really bright one instead of

1205
00:56:03,820 --> 00:56:00,230
being the goddess of love it was the God

1206
00:56:06,430 --> 00:56:03,830
of War because it was bright but the

1207
00:56:08,380 --> 00:56:06,440
Japanese one of the answers other

1208
00:56:10,260 --> 00:56:08,390
interesting things I picked up on and

1209
00:56:16,380 --> 00:56:10,270
doing this research for this book is

1210
00:56:18,580 --> 00:56:16,390
Japan kept turning up Percival Lowell

1211
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:18,590
was kind of trying to get out of an

1212
00:56:25,210 --> 00:56:20,930
arranged marriage so he went to Japan

1213
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:25,220
and he spent several years in Japan

1214
00:56:29,620 --> 00:56:27,410
wrote several books about it and

1215
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:29,630
everywhere of course he went in Japan

1216
00:56:35,170 --> 00:56:32,090
there was this flag where they a white

1217
00:56:40,450 --> 00:56:35,180
field with a big red dot in it and while

1218
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:40,460
in Japan in a very exotic yet very

1219
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:41,930
advanced civilization

1220
00:56:51,570 --> 00:56:45,890
he became intrigued with Mars and most

1221
00:56:54,220 --> 00:56:51,580
of the scientific progress of the last

1222
00:56:57,010 --> 00:56:54,230
hundred years in terms of space travel

1223
00:56:58,750 --> 00:56:57,020
was driven by the fact that Lowell was

1224
00:57:02,530 --> 00:56:58,760
convinced there was a civilization on

1225
00:57:03,970 --> 00:57:02,540
Mars the canals other people saw the

1226
00:57:07,170 --> 00:57:03,980
canals but he mapped them

1227
00:57:09,460 --> 00:57:07,180
he built the probably the best to straw

1228
00:57:13,150 --> 00:57:09,470
Observatory on earth for a while just

1229
00:57:14,500 --> 00:57:13,160
right up the road from me okay it's

1230
00:57:16,090 --> 00:57:14,510
right up the road from me I'm down in

1231
00:57:19,210 --> 00:57:16,100
Camp Verde it's right up on the hill oh

1232
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:19,220
yeah it's like that here

1233
00:57:24,490 --> 00:57:22,250
yeah and it was it was the best site it

1234
00:57:26,980 --> 00:57:24,500
had a big big modern telescope

1235
00:57:29,500 --> 00:57:26,990
no one could argue with him when he said

1236
00:57:33,730 --> 00:57:29,510
oh I see all these canals and he mapped

1237
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:33,740
them and this got HG Wells intrigued

1238
00:57:39,670 --> 00:57:36,050
with the idea of the civilization on

1239
00:57:44,140 --> 00:57:39,680
Mars and he/she Wells was an expert on

1240
00:57:47,020 --> 00:57:44,150
human human behavior and he said well if

1241
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:47,030
the Martians are like us they're going

1242
00:57:52,270 --> 00:57:49,730
to invade us so just like the British

1243
00:57:55,210 --> 00:57:52,280
Empire had so he wrote War of the Worlds

1244
00:57:58,690 --> 00:57:55,220
because of Lowell and the person who

1245
00:58:02,230 --> 00:57:58,700
read World War of the Worlds was Robert

1246
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:02,240
Goddard and Goddard became fascinated

1247
00:58:07,359 --> 00:58:04,130
with the planet Mars he wanted to build

1248
00:58:09,780 --> 00:58:07,369
a spaceship to go to Mars so he made the

1249
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:09,790
first high-performance rockets

1250
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:14,569
liquid-fueled they could and he started

1251
00:58:19,630 --> 00:58:17,599
launching his rockets he in order to

1252
00:58:21,220 --> 00:58:19,640
build things we could go to Mars and

1253
00:58:23,230 --> 00:58:21,230
people started complaining because it

1254
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:23,240
was making a lot of noise so he decided

1255
00:58:30,849 --> 00:58:25,760
to move someplace where nothing ever

1256
00:58:36,730 --> 00:58:30,859
happened yes where did he moved to

1257
00:58:38,650 --> 00:58:36,740
Roswell New Mexico in 1930 and everyone

1258
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:38,660
in this country was ignoring his work

1259
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:43,250
but the German intelligence this was

1260
00:58:47,950 --> 00:58:45,440
interested in rockets they infiltrated

1261
00:58:50,410 --> 00:58:47,960
his team of technicians so they passed

1262
00:58:53,650 --> 00:58:50,420
all of his design secrets to Wernher von

1263
00:58:56,620 --> 00:58:53,660
Braun so Goddard actually helped design

1264
00:59:01,809 --> 00:58:56,630
the b-2 missiles even though he didn't

1265
00:59:03,970 --> 00:59:01,819
know it at the time and the v2 convinced

1266
00:59:06,430 --> 00:59:03,980
all of the world powers because no

1267
00:59:08,290 --> 00:59:06,440
nuclear weapons that if you had a

1268
00:59:09,309 --> 00:59:08,300
something like a b2 and you had a

1269
00:59:10,750 --> 00:59:09,319
nuclear warhead

1270
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:10,760
you could you could conquer the world

1271
00:59:18,609 --> 00:59:15,440
and so all of these big rockets to to

1272
00:59:20,589 --> 00:59:18,619
the Cold War were invented and but

1273
00:59:23,380 --> 00:59:20,599
instead of lobbying nuclear weapons a

1274
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:23,390
big nuclear war both ended up ruling was

1275
00:59:30,870 --> 00:59:27,970
using those same rockets to go to Mars

1276
00:59:32,999 --> 00:59:30,880
and investigate it

1277
00:59:35,940 --> 00:59:33,009
particularly our space program has

1278
00:59:37,769 --> 00:59:35,950
become a big mess it looks like very few

1279
00:59:40,529 --> 00:59:37,779
of us on this show going to be living

1280
00:59:42,059 --> 00:59:40,539
when and if we go to Mars so what

1281
00:59:44,730 --> 00:59:42,069
happened in the space program all this

1282
00:59:50,730 --> 00:59:44,740
fascination with Mars and space travel

1283
00:59:54,839 --> 00:59:50,740
what went wrong well their money a it's

1284
00:59:58,650 --> 00:59:54,849
money but also the first probes to Mars

1285
01:00:01,769 --> 00:59:58,660
saw a bunch of craters and people

1286
01:00:05,069 --> 01:00:01,779
freaked out because they expected to see

1287
01:00:09,839 --> 01:00:05,079
canals instead they saw craters it

1288
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:09,849
looked like Mars was like a moon and so

1289
01:00:14,670 --> 01:00:12,400
they instead of being convinced that

1290
01:00:15,900 --> 01:00:14,680
Mars or the Living Planet maybe with a

1291
01:00:20,269 --> 01:00:15,910
civilization on it

1292
01:00:23,609 --> 01:00:20,279
they went completely they overreacted

1293
01:00:25,740 --> 01:00:23,619
and they the people who said all Mars

1294
01:00:27,769 --> 01:00:25,750
our life alone took over the space

1295
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:27,779
program so they've been basically

1296
01:00:33,390 --> 01:00:30,490
telling everybody that Mars and then all

1297
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:33,400
these years and in fact one Mars

1298
01:00:38,910 --> 01:00:36,250
scientists even told me that he said

1299
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:38,920
he's I said you found signs of life and

1300
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:40,930
once one of Mars rock why haven't you

1301
01:00:47,339 --> 01:00:44,170
found anymore and he said I'm afraid to

1302
01:00:50,549 --> 01:00:47,349
find more because I was criticized so

1303
01:00:53,759 --> 01:00:50,559
bitterly by these people for finding you

1304
01:00:57,720 --> 01:00:53,769
know for saying I'd found life signs in

1305
01:00:59,670 --> 01:00:57,730
these Mars rocks and I talked to one of

1306
01:01:03,059 --> 01:00:59,680
the Mars scientists who did the NASA

1307
01:01:08,220 --> 01:01:03,069
study where they found the Mars life

1308
01:01:10,829 --> 01:01:08,230
signs of alh84001 and he said to me he

1309
01:01:14,220 --> 01:01:10,839
said I can understand people criticizing

1310
01:01:16,249 --> 01:01:14,230
our work he said what I don't understand

1311
01:01:20,279 --> 01:01:16,259
is why they're so angry when they do it

1312
01:01:22,710 --> 01:01:20,289
people you know people faced with a lot

1313
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:22,720
of scientists formed the mob basically

1314
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:26,170
to go out and get these people they did

1315
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:29,410
not want to find life on Mars and you'd

1316
01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:31,210
think what a wonderful thing would be

1317
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:34,240
for our space program if these life

1318
01:01:40,740 --> 01:01:36,880
signs were further explored and proven

1319
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:40,750
but there is new sentiment against it

1320
01:01:47,180 --> 01:01:44,170
and one of the reasons I wrote this book

1321
01:01:50,819 --> 01:01:47,190
is to kind of shake up our science a

1322
01:01:51,450 --> 01:01:50,829
planet is ripe for a revolution there

1323
01:01:53,549 --> 01:01:51,460
you go

1324
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:53,559
instead our space program went on to

1325
01:01:58,500 --> 01:01:56,010
build a Rolls Royce to deliver groceries

1326
01:02:02,880 --> 01:01:58,510
basically well it built a space station

1327
01:02:06,299 --> 01:02:02,890
it's there's a one one thing you have to

1328
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:06,309
realize the space program is actually

1329
01:02:12,809 --> 01:02:09,280
part of our national defense it's in the

1330
01:02:16,829 --> 01:02:12,819
Cold War deterrence was psychological

1331
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:16,839
you had to basically when every time we

1332
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:18,970
send something to Mars or ended

1333
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:21,130
something on Mars the Russians would

1334
01:02:26,099 --> 01:02:23,410
note this for one thing we had done

1335
01:02:27,750 --> 01:02:26,109
something they couldn't do so was leap

1336
01:02:29,789 --> 01:02:27,760
frogging but I will have to go into that

1337
01:02:32,099 --> 01:02:29,799
in a moment we're going to let frogging

1338
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:32,109
and the Americans and the Russians and

1339
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:33,970
all that absolutely with dr. John

1340
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:36,130
Brandenburg the co-host is Chris O'Brien

1341
01:02:46,860 --> 01:02:39,130
I'm gene Steinberg you're in the Bearer

1342
01:02:52,250 --> 01:02:48,970
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we have a preview of it right now it's

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called life and death on Mars the new

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Mars synthesis and I guess we were

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focusing here now a little bit on the

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way the Americans and Russians treat the

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space program but really it was mostly

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the Americans wanting to beat the

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Russians that's why we went to the moon

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nothing else right that's right we well

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and even a lot of the great exploration

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the classic era you know the Columbus

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finding the new world they were the

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Europeans were trying to outflank the

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Turkish Empire so everything had a

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military component to it as well as they

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the idea of the spirit of adventure

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looking for new trade routes there was

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there was a big military threat from the

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Turkish Empire at the time of Columbus

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that all of Europe was worried about the

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Turks had tried to take Vienna three

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different times and they ultimately

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failed but only after the Spanish had

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gotten rich off the new world and

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supplied a lot of troops to the defense

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of Europe against the Turks so just

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going to the moon to not just to go to

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the moon but also to impress the world

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there were technologically superior to

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the Russians that's kind of an old

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01:09:06,190 --> 01:09:03,010
tradition in exploration it's kind of a

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scientific Olympics if you like are in

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ancient Greece they would have a limp

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so everybody could show how brave and

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tough they were so they couldn't have

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all they wouldn't have Wars it was said

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to have Olympic Games and the space

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01:09:23,789 --> 01:09:19,630
program became sort of like that

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but they focus on Mars is a planet where

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we would probably be most likely to find

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earth-like life drove a lot of the

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01:09:38,249 --> 01:09:34,739
exploration of Mars and then when the

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01:09:38,879 --> 01:09:38,259
Viking landers supposedly didn't find

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life

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they basically rode Mars off however the

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people who said Mars is like the moon

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01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:51,429
eventually the data showed that they

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were wrong

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Mars was farmer earth-like than anyone

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had guessed but in the past not in the

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present so they instead of canals they

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01:10:11,250 --> 01:10:03,940
found deep water channels and ownership

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01:10:14,930 --> 01:10:11,260
it and instead of some big cities they

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01:10:18,359 --> 01:10:14,940
found other things let us say including

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01:10:21,149 --> 01:10:18,369
signs that there was some big nuclear

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01:10:23,790 --> 01:10:21,159
event on Mars after the climate

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01:10:25,620 --> 01:10:23,800
collapsed okay now a nuclear event would

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01:10:29,580 --> 01:10:25,630
not be something that would be done

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01:10:31,290 --> 01:10:29,590
artificially well you try a scientist

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01:10:33,839 --> 01:10:31,300
always tries to put together the

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simplest hypothesis that involved the

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01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:37,349
least number of actors maluma rockem

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01:10:43,109 --> 01:10:40,719
William of Occam and basically his

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original statement is not the simplest

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hypothesis because life is complicated

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and he knew that he said the least

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01:10:54,359 --> 01:10:51,489
number of actors the least number of

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01:10:56,669 --> 01:10:54,369
entities he called them you know like

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01:11:01,589 --> 01:10:56,679
certain situations come up when you say

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sir say lfm look for the woman yeah

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01:11:05,100 --> 01:11:03,219
that's not the simplest type ah that's

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01:11:06,899 --> 01:11:05,110
not the simplest hypothesis because it

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01:11:12,459 --> 01:11:06,909
involves something very complex human

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01:11:16,900 --> 01:11:12,469
beings but it involves an entity

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01:11:19,510 --> 01:11:16,910
and you can reduce things to the least

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01:11:23,530 --> 01:11:19,520
number of entities on earth for instance

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01:11:25,650 --> 01:11:23,540
in uranium deposits in Africa it's been

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01:11:28,990 --> 01:11:25,660
discovered in the last couple decades

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01:11:31,420 --> 01:11:29,000
that nature itself embarked on its own

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01:11:33,490 --> 01:11:31,430
nuclear power program these uranium

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01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:33,500
deposits have built a billion years ago

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01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:36,650
were basically reactor-grade because

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01:11:42,729 --> 01:11:39,890
uranium-235 decays and time what about a

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01:11:45,490 --> 01:11:42,739
billion year half-life so you had

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01:11:47,620 --> 01:11:45,500
uranium deposit very rich and

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01:11:49,330 --> 01:11:47,630
groundwater would get into them and it

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01:11:52,330 --> 01:11:49,340
would actually start functioning in

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01:11:55,540 --> 01:11:52,340
little areas like nuclear reactors in

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01:11:57,610 --> 01:11:55,550
fact they would run so ferociously they

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01:11:59,800 --> 01:11:57,620
would get hot and dry all the water out

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01:12:01,540 --> 01:11:59,810
and then the reaction would shut down

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01:12:04,510 --> 01:12:01,550
because the water slowed down the

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01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:04,520
neutrons if only we could control them

1544
01:12:10,660 --> 01:12:07,610
that's right well nature they found five

1545
01:12:13,390 --> 01:12:10,670
different sites where this happened now

1546
01:12:15,430 --> 01:12:13,400
each of these reaction zone was only

1547
01:12:16,180 --> 01:12:15,440
about as big as your couch in your

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01:12:18,850 --> 01:12:16,190
living room

1549
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:18,860
they were pretty small but still there

1550
01:12:22,810 --> 01:12:20,570
remains but none of them blew up

1551
01:12:26,830 --> 01:12:22,820
they ran along for millions of years in

1552
01:12:29,590 --> 01:12:26,840
these cycles of cooling off having water

1553
01:12:32,110 --> 01:12:29,600
in them starting nuclear reactions

1554
01:12:34,390 --> 01:12:32,120
getting hot driving the water out the

1555
01:12:36,300 --> 01:12:34,400
reaction shuts down they also trapped

1556
01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:36,310
all the nuclear waste by the way and

1557
01:12:40,510 --> 01:12:38,960
people are still marveling that none of

1558
01:12:42,490 --> 01:12:40,520
the nuclear waste got out of these zones

1559
01:12:44,890 --> 01:12:42,500
they imprisoned within a kind of

1560
01:12:46,660 --> 01:12:44,900
aluminium clay so people are actually

1561
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:46,670
studying that to see if we can use that

1562
01:12:55,420 --> 01:12:51,530
but apparently the same thing happened

1563
01:12:58,209 --> 01:12:55,430
on Mars only it was a much larger zone

1564
01:13:01,360 --> 01:12:58,219
of reaction and apparently it went

1565
01:13:03,900 --> 01:13:01,370
unstable and as they say in the reactor

1566
01:13:07,470 --> 01:13:03,910
business it explosively disassembled

1567
01:13:12,100 --> 01:13:07,480
leaving a large radioactive star on Mars

1568
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:12,110
in a region called mare acid alien and

1569
01:13:17,650 --> 01:13:14,449
in the book that you have you see the

1570
01:13:20,950 --> 01:13:17,660
maps in the color the color plate

1571
01:13:23,890 --> 01:13:20,960
section right you see there's a region

1572
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:23,900
in radioactive potassium and also

1573
01:13:32,129 --> 01:13:26,400
thorium there's

1574
01:13:34,140 --> 01:13:32,139
big spot on both naps and the tendrils

1575
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:34,150
from that explosion like streamers reach

1576
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:35,440
all the way around the planet and

1577
01:13:39,330 --> 01:13:37,090
there's another hot spot on almost

1578
01:13:41,759 --> 01:13:39,340
exactly the opposite side of the plant

1579
01:13:43,129 --> 01:13:41,769
with the antipode means shockwaves went

1580
01:13:46,290 --> 01:13:43,139
all the way around the planet and

1581
01:13:48,719 --> 01:13:46,300
collided on the far side depositing a

1582
01:13:51,799 --> 01:13:48,729
bunch of radioactive debris this would

1583
01:13:55,319 --> 01:13:51,809
have been a planetary wide disaster

1584
01:13:57,060 --> 01:13:55,329
the simplest hypothesis the one

1585
01:14:01,640 --> 01:13:57,070
involving the least number of actors

1586
01:14:05,989 --> 01:14:01,650
this was a natural event a bizarre one

1587
01:14:12,359 --> 01:14:05,999
natural like the natural radioactive

1588
01:14:16,830 --> 01:14:12,369
Radio reactors in Africa only this one

1589
01:14:19,739 --> 01:14:16,840
was larger and exploded unlike the ones

1590
01:14:24,689 --> 01:14:19,749
in Africa that maintained a stable cycle

1591
01:14:27,089 --> 01:14:24,699
and the riddle of Mars is that when they

1592
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:27,099
they noticed that Mars was slightly

1593
01:14:33,719 --> 01:14:31,690
radioactive on its surface and they

1594
01:14:35,339 --> 01:14:33,729
thought it was just natural uranium and

1595
01:14:37,529 --> 01:14:35,349
thorium and things like that that are

1596
01:14:39,239 --> 01:14:37,539
naturally radioactive then when they

1597
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:39,249
started checking the Mars meteorites

1598
01:14:44,279 --> 01:14:42,130
they discovered that the Mars meteorite

1599
01:14:47,250 --> 01:14:44,289
had less uranium and thorium in them

1600
01:14:49,350 --> 01:14:47,260
than Earth rocks so what they realized

1601
01:14:53,279 --> 01:14:49,360
the surface of Mars was covered with a

1602
01:14:55,739 --> 01:14:53,289
thin layer a radioactive material is if

1603
01:14:58,290 --> 01:14:55,749
spread by an explosion because the

1604
01:15:00,209 --> 01:14:58,300
Martian rocks that we have as meteorites

1605
01:15:01,890 --> 01:15:00,219
are believed to come from a few metres

1606
01:15:02,989 --> 01:15:01,900
below the surface you're not supposed to

1607
01:15:05,759 --> 01:15:02,999
be surface rocks

1608
01:15:09,180 --> 01:15:05,769
the temperatures paper eyes when the big

1609
01:15:12,959 --> 01:15:09,190
rock hits so also they found that the

1610
01:15:16,649 --> 01:15:12,969
Martian atmosphere has peculiar isotopes

1611
01:15:18,839 --> 01:15:16,659
in it from argon and xenon that are the

1612
01:15:20,459 --> 01:15:18,849
product of nuclear reactions and these

1613
01:15:22,529 --> 01:15:20,469
are hyper abundance in the Mars

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we are the gcn radio network hello this

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is John burrows one of the witnesses to

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the Rendlesham UFO incident you're

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listening to the podcast the

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gold-standard

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mysteries of Mars nothing paranormal

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here strictly scientific the book from

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dr. John Brandenburg coming out in

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February is called life and death on

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Mars the new Mars synthesis Chris you

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01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:34,800
want to pick up on this yeah one of the

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things that I found very fascinating

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about it's like a detective story the

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way that you put the book together and

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what I what I really appreciate most

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about it is you don't have to be

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grounded in any particular scientific

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discipline that you did a very good job

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of writing the book for for someone

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that's a little up to speed and

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intelligent but doesn't need a real

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01:20:59,990 --> 01:20:57,300
heavy background in science and I find

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01:21:02,330 --> 01:21:00,000
that thank you was what I was trying to

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01:21:04,100 --> 01:21:02,340
do of course and well you succeeded or

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01:21:06,230 --> 01:21:04,110
Dave Childress encouraged me to do that

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you succeeded and I think that that was

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a very good approach one of the things

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01:21:13,010 --> 01:21:10,920
that I find very intriguing is that you

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have such a background in in aerospace

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01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:15,990
and as we mention at the top of the show

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in your that's your plasma physicist

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01:21:23,900 --> 01:21:21,330
what actually got you interested in this

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01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:23,910
whole in this whole idea of creating a

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01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:27,810
synthesis on on all the various tendrils

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01:21:31,490 --> 01:21:29,610
of information that science has been

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01:21:34,790 --> 01:21:31,500
able to accrue over over the years on

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01:21:37,130 --> 01:21:34,800
the Martian history what was did you

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01:21:38,930 --> 01:21:37,140
have some sort of Eureka moment or an

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01:21:41,480 --> 01:21:38,940
instant knew that this is something

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01:21:45,170 --> 01:21:41,490
you're gonna have to get into I felt it

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01:21:48,650 --> 01:21:45,180
was sort of a mission honestly my Eureka

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01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:48,660
moments was when I saw the work of Vince

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01:21:55,310 --> 01:21:51,210
the Pedro and Greg Boland are on on

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01:21:58,160 --> 01:21:55,320
Cydonia and that's what I thought and

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01:22:01,220 --> 01:21:58,170
well to me if you look at the if you

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01:22:03,950 --> 01:22:01,230
look at what they found you obviously is

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01:22:07,010 --> 01:22:03,960
the first question you ask is how long

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did Mars have an earth-like environment

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01:22:12,110 --> 01:22:09,360
it was obvious from the water channels

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01:22:14,030 --> 01:22:12,120
they found and Mars was like Earth in a

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01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:14,040
very distant past and then you kind of

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01:22:23,870 --> 01:22:18,170
wondered well okay how much how similar

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01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:23,880
to earth in Mars past you know war

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01:22:29,180 --> 01:22:26,010
conditions and how long did they last

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01:22:31,190 --> 01:22:29,190
and the problem

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01:22:34,910 --> 01:22:31,200
in the Mars community is that they are

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01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:34,920
so conservative Mars is large is a very

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01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:37,290
dangerous place for a scientist right

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01:22:43,670 --> 01:22:40,730
now because they've got a lot of baggage

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it's got a lot of baggage it for one

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thing as I said the culture their

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cultural implications that anything on

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Mars are so strong if you find life on

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01:23:01,940 --> 01:22:58,440
Mars and survive and you have changed

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01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:01,950
the entire it's like a second Copernican

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01:23:07,460 --> 01:23:05,250
revolution Mars is the first earth-like

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01:23:11,060 --> 01:23:07,470
planet in the universe that we can get

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01:23:13,010 --> 01:23:11,070
to and if we find life there especially

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01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:13,020
past advanced life

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01:23:17,810 --> 01:23:15,650
that means the whole universe is alive

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01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:17,820
well what do you think about that about

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01:23:22,460 --> 01:23:20,850
the the reimaging of a Cydonia and and

1782
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:22,470
and the face on Mars I mean what's your

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01:23:29,420 --> 01:23:27,360
your your falls we we we presented a

1784
01:23:33,230 --> 01:23:29,430
paper at one of the american geophysical

1785
01:23:36,530 --> 01:23:33,240
union meetings and i discussed this in a

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01:23:38,090 --> 01:23:36,540
dead mars dying earth which was about

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01:23:41,150 --> 01:23:38,100
the idea of mars being a failed

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01:23:42,620 --> 01:23:41,160
biosphere comparing that to earth that

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01:23:48,050 --> 01:23:42,630
you know we're abusing the hearse

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01:23:51,500 --> 01:23:48,060
environment we presented our analysis of

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01:23:54,530 --> 01:23:51,510
the new large images that in fact it

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01:23:57,020 --> 01:23:54,540
actually confirmed our hypothesis that

1793
01:24:01,550 --> 01:23:57,030
they were artificial we found nostrils

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01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:01,560
in the pose of the face and the we found

1795
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:04,890
a brick collapse zone on this is going

1796
01:24:10,970 --> 01:24:06,570
to be discussed at length in another

1797
01:24:13,460 --> 01:24:10,980
book to be coming out later right now

1798
01:24:15,410 --> 01:24:13,470
we're basically gathering more data but

1799
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:15,420
we presented this at this conference one

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01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:18,570
of the guys from JPL showed up he was

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this older guy and he he completely lost

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01:24:31,850 --> 01:24:29,940
it when he saw our presentation he would

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start screaming he threatened vince to

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01:24:38,990 --> 01:24:36,240
petrol with his fists yes yes hitting me

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01:24:42,050 --> 01:24:39,000
i am not kidding you in fact was ahead

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01:24:42,850 --> 01:24:42,060
of me because i got in between the guys

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01:24:45,399 --> 01:24:42,860
first

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01:24:46,990 --> 01:24:45,409
Vince DiPietro saying you're calling me

1809
01:24:49,419 --> 01:24:47,000
are you calling me a liar you don't know

1810
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:49,429
what you're talking about and Vince just

1811
01:24:54,129 --> 01:24:52,010
said the tough Italian he said yeah I do

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01:25:02,560 --> 01:24:54,139
know what I'm talking about yeah bring

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01:25:05,050 --> 01:25:02,570
it on do you by God and I I burden of

1814
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:05,060
Civility stepped in I stepped you know

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01:25:09,910 --> 01:25:07,130
in front of a guy and I said you know

1816
01:25:11,970 --> 01:25:09,920
sir calm down this is a scientific

1817
01:25:16,090 --> 01:25:11,980
meeting you know it's Rama

1818
01:25:18,340 --> 01:25:16,100
this is hydrometers we think the

1819
01:25:22,660 --> 01:25:18,350
scientist is being so conservative

1820
01:25:25,390 --> 01:25:22,670
making it oh no you don't you don't know

1821
01:25:27,790 --> 01:25:25,400
science the way I've science and

1822
01:25:30,550 --> 01:25:27,800
sometimes involves kind of almost

1823
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:30,560
back-alley behavior some guys win

1824
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:32,449
arguments just simply by intimidation

1825
01:25:35,729 --> 01:25:34,850
they can hold up the progress of science

1826
01:25:37,750 --> 01:25:35,739
for years

1827
01:25:39,430 --> 01:25:37,760
that's what they've been doing a good

1828
01:25:41,590 --> 01:25:39,440
job of it too especially in the UFO

1829
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:41,600
field well that's

1830
01:25:48,250 --> 01:25:44,449
oh that's a whole well actually I

1831
01:25:49,870 --> 01:25:48,260
discussed that in the wall but ya know

1832
01:25:53,470 --> 01:25:49,880
what I'm gonna ask you about that then

1833
01:25:55,209 --> 01:25:53,480
okay okay the magic UFO word and I'll

1834
01:25:57,399 --> 01:25:55,219
say this because knew it had to come up

1835
01:26:00,970 --> 01:25:57,409
sometime John and I got one you advanced

1836
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:00,980
next week gentlemen next week our guest

1837
01:26:05,669 --> 01:26:03,650
is gonna be Stanton Friedman Stanton

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01:26:06,850 --> 01:26:05,679
Friedman give him my very best regards

1839
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:06,860
okay

1840
01:26:17,129 --> 01:26:12,170
this out Chris hasn't heard this yet but

1841
01:26:21,790 --> 01:26:19,570
damn if he's finished John Brandenburg

1842
01:26:24,129 --> 01:26:21,800
science fiction novel about the UFO

1843
01:26:25,750 --> 01:26:24,139
cover-up okay well speaking about that

1844
01:26:29,470 --> 01:26:25,760
okay you have a science fiction novel

1845
01:26:31,899 --> 01:26:29,480
that you did about a UFO couple things

1846
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:31,909
are best to handle in a science fiction

1847
01:26:36,729 --> 01:26:34,489
scenario I fight you know I have a I

1848
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:36,739
write science fiction or a pen name and

1849
01:26:41,350 --> 01:26:39,650
I clearly Diffie stuff you read in a

1850
01:26:42,939 --> 01:26:41,360
book that says John Brandenburg that

1851
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:42,949
means I've gone to scientific

1852
01:26:47,260 --> 01:26:45,010
conferences presented all the stuff

1853
01:26:51,310 --> 01:26:47,270
gotten the feedback from other

1854
01:26:52,890 --> 01:26:51,320
scientists etc when I write as Victor

1855
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:52,900
drawer guard

1856
01:26:58,709 --> 01:26:55,690
my alternative personality your alter

1857
01:27:02,490 --> 01:26:58,719
ego your secret identity go if you put

1858
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:02,500
on the mist mist I should I put on the

1859
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:07,690
mask and yes and you have beautiful

1860
01:27:17,879 --> 01:27:12,130
damsels in distress who are also UFO

1861
01:27:20,910 --> 01:27:17,889
abductees and psychic etc and I wrote a

1862
01:27:23,010 --> 01:27:20,920
novel called Morningstar path to

1863
01:27:24,359 --> 01:27:23,020
collapse in the UFO cover-up we're

1864
01:27:28,379 --> 01:27:24,369
actually going to put it out as a

1865
01:27:30,810 --> 01:27:28,389
trilogy because it it's the the first

1866
01:27:33,990 --> 01:27:30,820
publisher put it in to smaller routes to

1867
01:27:36,500 --> 01:27:34,000
smaller print so at 50 million 700 pages

1868
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:36,510
so we're going to break it up into

1869
01:27:44,339 --> 01:27:38,610
Fellowship of the Ring kind of thing

1870
01:27:46,890 --> 01:27:44,349
three pages three three sections each is

1871
01:27:48,930 --> 01:27:46,900
a separate novel a trilogy so this is

1872
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:48,940
for the move in

1873
01:27:56,010 --> 01:27:52,449
oh well beep several people have told me

1874
01:27:59,820 --> 01:27:56,020
it will make a superb movie and it is a

1875
01:28:03,540 --> 01:27:59,830
no-holds-barred exploration of the whole

1876
01:28:07,379 --> 01:28:03,550
UFO thing okay we're looking at the UFO

1877
01:28:14,010 --> 01:28:07,389
field from a fictional standpoint well I

1878
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:14,020
chose a fictional standpoint because so

1879
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I I told well my friends in UFO field I

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said Don Ecker

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I said on the problem with the UFO field

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is there are no facts there are only

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reports you know we have what look like

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clash of 50 leaked classified documents

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we have people who believe they've been

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abducted

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we have people find their cows mutilated

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after seeing UFOs out on the range on on

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what they're you know the real facts are

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only known apparently by the government

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itself and it does not it is incited not

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to be forthcoming without it you can

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also understand well in the novel

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the UFO cover-up collapses just like

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Watergate or Iran encounter gate and it

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collapses because somewhere inside it

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our decides to leak a bunch of documents

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to the two women news anchors on like

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her

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our show is gonna collapse if I don't

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break so hang out John John Brandenburg

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joining us Chris O'Brien's the co-host

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I'm gene Steinberg you're in a pair of

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after my second heart attack I knew I

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needed more help than I had

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that's when extenda bite came into my

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a very short time my name's dawn

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whisking and I'm here because of

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extended life extent if I gave me more

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energy than I've had in years

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I am the only one in my house right now

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that's not sick from colds or flus and I

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owe that all to extend a bite my name is

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world with hard-hitting talk radio G C

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and great talk radio starts here you

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notice that voice gets weirder and

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weirder as we progress the UFO field can

2004
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be pretty weird John Burke he's joining

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us I'm gene Steinberg you're in the para

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cast Chris O'Brien's the co-host and as

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I said earlier yes Stanton Friedman is

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going to be on next week and will

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question man who makes UFO ufology

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respectable scientists to talk about

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okay that's fair enough okay but now

2012
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you're coming out here you have the

2013
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fiction book about UFOs a fictional

2014
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trilogy cover-up but is there any

2015
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reality we can find there because you

2016
01:34:54,859 --> 01:34:52,530
know one of the things that happened

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with UFO feel as they take something

2018
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that is a fiction book or meant to be

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fiction and they say don't know it's

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really factual well I I wrote it as a

2021
01:35:14,479 --> 01:35:07,289
science fiction novel it is a what-if

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01:35:18,469 --> 01:35:14,489
novel what if for instance Boswell

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01:35:20,959 --> 01:35:18,479
actually happened and then if you just

2024
01:35:23,149 --> 01:35:20,969
take the whole public record of the

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01:35:26,779 --> 01:35:23,159
whole UFOs and suppose the government

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01:35:30,250 --> 01:35:26,789
knew beyond any shadow of a doubt that

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01:35:33,529 --> 01:35:30,260
we were not alone in the universe that

2028
01:35:41,660 --> 01:35:33,539
spacefaring extraterrestrials had come

2029
01:35:44,359 --> 01:35:41,670
here and then you ask yourself why would

2030
01:35:47,870 --> 01:35:44,369
the government keep that such a closely

2031
01:35:51,140 --> 01:35:47,880
guarded secret and you have to kind of

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01:35:53,270 --> 01:35:51,150
connect the dots the book the science

2033
01:35:57,739 --> 01:35:53,280
fiction novel in the way I try to kind

2034
01:36:01,490 --> 01:35:57,749
of connect the dots of the UFO mystery

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01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:01,500
arm for instance do you

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01:36:08,750 --> 01:36:05,330
what was stored at Roswell Army Air Base

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is that under nuclear weapons were

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stored there at the time yeah yes all

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five nuclear weapons that the United

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States possessed were stored at Roswell

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01:36:28,100 --> 01:36:25,530
and you wonder okay if there was a crash

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01:36:30,410 --> 01:36:28,110
in Roswell well in fact part of the one

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selling part of the book it means two

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women based they because of the leaked

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documents they get they actually track

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01:36:41,480 --> 01:36:39,510
down people from Roswell new that were

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01:36:43,580 --> 01:36:41,490
actually there and knew exactly what

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01:36:48,950 --> 01:36:43,590
happened and take their testimony

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01:36:52,630 --> 01:36:48,960
if only government can react and but

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it's you know it's it's it's parked

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risque soap opera and part it's part

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science fiction because what I'm trying

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to do it's based on the idea of

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mediocrity mediocrity is the foundation

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of SETI search for extraterrestrial

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intelligence

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exactly would you yes it isn't as funny

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as yourself but not for the reason you

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think bureaucracy well honey it's just

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uninspired thinking I mean come on

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looking looking for inspire even radio

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waves I mean hello I know it well they

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have you know UFOs fly right over their

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site they ignore that they're looking

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for radio waves by God and you gotta

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remember they're radio waves from

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someplace 20 light-years away that's

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very safe yeah somebody snooping around

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our nuclear weapons stockpile that's a

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little scary

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they're flying over is the SETI complex

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the only way they'd pay attention is if

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they got anally probed well anyway the

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principai merit of mediocrity underlies

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it all SETI research and it's the idea

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that we are a normal part of the

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universe human race is not remarkable

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it's mediocre its average the earth is

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average the human race with all of its

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various forms of behavior is average in

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the universe

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and if you believe it or not if you read

2083
01:38:38,729 --> 01:38:35,650
the UFO reports especially the abduction

2084
01:38:42,689 --> 01:38:38,739
reports it all makes sense

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in terms of a mediocrity and mediocrity

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by the way beings that if you want to

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know what intelligent universe looks

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everything from North Korea to to

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Congress well if I was et at this point

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01:39:08,270 --> 01:39:07,329
watching that stuff I'd say blow the

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place up

2092
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just let them do it I don't want to give

2093
01:39:17,850 --> 01:39:15,510
away too much a report but the women

2094
01:39:20,430 --> 01:39:17,860
these two women of course you know

2095
01:39:22,319 --> 01:39:20,440
there's the hero who's actually part of

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01:39:23,790 --> 01:39:22,329
the you ever a cover-up I won't don't

2097
01:39:26,399 --> 01:39:23,800
want to get away to myself Brooke but

2098
01:39:30,270 --> 01:39:26,409
these two women succeed in bringing down

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01:39:33,060 --> 01:39:30,280
the UFO cover-up with the documents

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01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:33,070
they've been supplied and one of them

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01:39:42,390 --> 01:39:35,170
discovers that she's an abductee in the

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process which is very tragic and but you

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know one of them says he says well we

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thought that people from outer space

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would be you know better more noble than

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human race and she said imagine our

2107
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disappointment finding out the truth

2108
01:40:00,720 --> 01:39:58,119
that's the universe is just as screwed

2109
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:00,730
up as this place is well that explains

2110
01:40:07,799 --> 01:40:06,010
an awful lot and also below it's a well

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01:40:08,770 --> 01:40:07,809
I don't want to give away too much of

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the novel no

2113
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I always want to ask you here the truth

2114
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here I'm the novel do you at all believe

2115
01:40:18,669 --> 01:40:16,159
that some of this stuff that you're

2116
01:40:22,740 --> 01:40:18,679
talking about in that novel by Israel I

2117
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tried to put everything in that novel

2118
01:40:31,390 --> 01:40:26,739
that I either heard rumored to be true

2119
01:40:33,790 --> 01:40:31,400
based on my I spent 50 years of

2120
01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:33,800
Washington DC and I heard a lot of

2121
01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:37,210
things and we just heard that way and

2122
01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:41,690
talking to I left to a lot of UFO

2123
01:40:46,510 --> 01:40:43,250
meetings I talked to a lot of other

2124
01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:46,520
mentees about their experience I talked

2125
01:40:53,020 --> 01:40:48,170
to some ranchers who have their cattle

2126
01:40:57,939 --> 01:40:53,030
related and were convinced that UFO

2127
01:41:00,430 --> 01:40:57,949
activity was involved and I tried to put

2128
01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:00,440
the whole picture I try to connect our

2129
01:41:06,279 --> 01:41:03,170
pots and it ain't pretty

2130
01:41:09,729 --> 01:41:06,289
I will I warned you this novel is not

2131
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for the faint hearted part of it the

2132
01:41:16,299 --> 01:41:13,880
action occurs in a super-secret alien

2133
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base is hosted by the US government but

2134
01:41:31,029 --> 01:41:27,419
[Laughter]

2135
01:41:33,339 --> 01:41:31,039
really big no I really got no I did not

2136
01:41:36,790 --> 01:41:33,349
know the San Luis Valley with UFO

2137
01:41:41,260 --> 01:41:36,800
Central when I wrote the novel I picked

2138
01:41:44,620 --> 01:41:41,270
it off a map because I thought I looked

2139
01:41:45,790 --> 01:41:44,630
at where several UFO bases were supposed

2140
01:41:49,419 --> 01:41:45,800
to be located and they're all on

2141
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:49,429
continental divide and so I just thought

2142
01:41:58,149 --> 01:41:52,610
well let's imagine the biggest one is

2143
01:42:00,370 --> 01:41:58,159
not on an eland map and so I picked the

2144
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:00,380
San Luis Valley and I only found out

2145
01:42:05,799 --> 01:42:03,770
after I finished the rough draft of the

2146
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:05,809
book I thought all I better do a little

2147
01:42:12,939 --> 01:42:07,610
research and make sure I got the scenery

2148
01:42:15,879 --> 01:42:12,949
right and imagine my surprise is finding

2149
01:42:20,660 --> 01:42:15,889
out that I placed view of old days just

2150
01:42:23,250 --> 01:42:20,670
their UFO centrally located it's

2151
01:42:25,050 --> 01:42:23,260
what it's a hottest spot in North

2152
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:25,060
America per capita I spent 13 years

2153
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:28,210
investigating there so oh I'm visited

2154
01:42:32,430 --> 01:42:30,610
there recently and I feel like I went

2155
01:42:34,620 --> 01:42:32,440
there driving there was a little bit got

2156
01:42:36,510 --> 01:42:34,630
a little bit like basket I thought I was

2157
01:42:38,540 --> 01:42:36,520
back in middle-earth I expected to see a

2158
01:42:40,229 --> 01:42:38,550
battalion of orcs blocking the highway

2159
01:42:43,380 --> 01:42:40,239
anymore

2160
01:42:49,340 --> 01:42:43,390
oh yeah everything else has been

2161
01:42:51,630 --> 01:42:49,350
reported why not orcs very interesting

2162
01:42:53,370 --> 01:42:51,640
people they're real nice people I was

2163
01:42:55,140 --> 01:42:53,380
great hey I stopped to look like well

2164
01:42:57,720 --> 01:42:55,150
you got to read my books on the valley

2165
01:43:00,540 --> 01:42:57,730
the mysterious Valley and did you write

2166
01:43:02,700 --> 01:43:00,550
the most curious Valley yeah yeah I

2167
01:43:05,580 --> 01:43:02,710
wrote a trilogy of books about all the

2168
01:43:08,460 --> 01:43:05,590
stuff going on there I I read your

2169
01:43:15,660 --> 01:43:08,470
article and adventures unlimited alright

2170
01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:15,670
I thought I gotta go there you know I

2171
01:43:25,170 --> 01:43:22,350
trying to push this here a little bit

2172
01:43:27,479 --> 01:43:25,180
more detail here do you really feel in

2173
01:43:30,390 --> 01:43:27,489
your heart of hearts that maybe there's

2174
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:30,400
more than just a tiny kernel of truth to

2175
01:43:38,160 --> 01:43:31,690
what you're writing about in this book

2176
01:43:42,810 --> 01:43:38,170
oh yeah yeah yeah I believe I tried to

2177
01:43:46,650 --> 01:43:42,820
write a very authentic book about it as

2178
01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:46,660
real as I can make it I wanted it to be

2179
01:43:52,650 --> 01:43:49,330
a real life I want it to be almost kind

2180
01:43:54,570 --> 01:43:52,660
of a docudrama of course I extrapolate

2181
01:43:57,750 --> 01:43:54,580
what happens when the UFO cover-up

2182
01:44:01,160 --> 01:43:57,760
collapses what do you think there's a

2183
01:44:05,940 --> 01:44:01,170
real UFO cover-up does such a thing I'm

2184
01:44:08,340 --> 01:44:05,950
convinced of it okay I mean I as as a

2185
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:08,350
scientist and it's just somebody who's

2186
01:44:13,650 --> 01:44:11,530
been around I'm like I'm convinced we're

2187
01:44:15,180 --> 01:44:13,660
not alone in the universe I know we're

2188
01:44:17,729 --> 01:44:15,190
not the only people who can travel

2189
01:44:19,860 --> 01:44:17,739
through space and her certainly not the

2190
01:44:22,150 --> 01:44:19,870
only people who can mess things up we

2191
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:22,160
have dr. John

2192
01:44:28,060 --> 01:44:25,370
we're not messing it up Chris O'Brien's

2193
01:44:36,770 --> 01:44:28,070
the co-host I'm gene Steinberg you're in

2194
01:44:42,010 --> 01:44:39,330
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01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:42,020
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again that's juicy and live.com hi this

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is ted Anderson have you ever wondered

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why banks stockbrokers investment

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the financial industry won't recognize

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yet no word about IRAs if you would like

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[Music]

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01:46:01,390 --> 01:45:59,000
dr. John Brandenburg joining us segwang

2220
01:46:03,540 --> 01:46:01,400
from the book on Mars to the science

2221
01:46:06,550 --> 01:46:03,550
fiction novels that he has written about

2222
01:46:08,770 --> 01:46:06,560
exposing the UFO cover-up Chris O'Brien

2223
01:46:11,920 --> 01:46:08,780
the co-host I'm gene Steinberg you're in

2224
01:46:14,770 --> 01:46:11,930
the power cast okay let's open that can

2225
01:46:17,620 --> 01:46:14,780
of worms okay there is a cover-up what

2226
01:46:23,290 --> 01:46:17,630
do you what do you think the government

2227
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:23,300
knows and when did they know it answer

2228
01:46:31,410 --> 01:46:26,810
the question in the in the in the novel

2229
01:46:37,150 --> 01:46:31,420
it's all Roswell is the big key to

2230
01:46:39,840 --> 01:46:37,160
unlocking everything and you know things

2231
01:46:49,470 --> 01:46:39,850
like described in the MV twelve

2232
01:46:59,710 --> 01:46:52,390
yeah let's get a nuclear physicist to do

2233
01:47:01,510 --> 01:46:59,720
our document verification you're gonna

2234
01:47:07,590 --> 01:47:01,520
have the chance on next week's episode

2235
01:47:16,720 --> 01:47:12,940
okay ask him again let Phil and Victor

2236
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:16,730
Nora guard ask that question okay just

2237
01:47:26,410 --> 01:47:21,770
down he may begin cursing so after that

2238
01:47:28,450 --> 01:47:26,420
he'll just hang up the phone maybe we'll

2239
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:28,460
get Paul to come back as a as a

2240
01:47:36,460 --> 01:47:30,890
returning guest co-host

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01:47:37,570 --> 01:47:36,470
well actually the one star pass novel

2242
01:47:40,060 --> 01:47:37,580
the subtitle

2243
01:47:42,310 --> 01:47:40,070
it's the collapsing for cover up and

2244
01:47:44,740 --> 01:47:42,320
then kind of the phrase the Canada

2245
01:47:48,210 --> 01:47:44,750
Stripes book it says absolute secrecy

2246
01:47:51,780 --> 01:47:48,220
creates absolute power

2247
01:47:54,300 --> 01:47:51,790
you know absolute power like that that's

2248
01:47:56,310 --> 01:47:54,310
a good good byline for the movie

2249
01:47:58,290 --> 01:47:56,320
yeah that look that's intended to be

2250
01:48:00,260 --> 01:47:58,300
kind of a byline for the book for a

2251
01:48:05,070 --> 01:48:00,270
movie I just wanted to create that

2252
01:48:12,690 --> 01:48:05,080
that's our absolute secrecy creating

2253
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:12,700
absolute power and it was a difficult to

2254
01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:15,610
write you can check it out on Amazon uh

2255
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:18,250
Tom got good reviews especially from

2256
01:48:25,070 --> 01:48:21,850
people in UFO field I felt I've done a

2257
01:48:28,620 --> 01:48:25,080
pretty good job stringing together the

2258
01:48:31,680 --> 01:48:28,630
you know we'll have to get a link up on

2259
01:48:37,740 --> 01:48:31,690
the podcast site for that link to your

2260
01:48:40,220 --> 01:48:37,750
eyes on and as I mentioned I try not to

2261
01:48:43,500 --> 01:48:40,230
give away too much of the plot they the

2262
01:48:45,990 --> 01:48:43,510
one of the women discovers in the

2263
01:48:51,300 --> 01:48:46,000
process she's investigating herself

2264
01:48:55,470 --> 01:48:51,310
because she's a UFO abductees and was

2265
01:48:59,760 --> 01:48:55,480
you know it's able to recall her

2266
01:49:01,910 --> 01:48:59,770
encounter their encounters with one

2267
01:49:04,010 --> 01:49:01,920
particular group of the

2268
01:49:13,860 --> 01:49:04,020
extraterrestrials operating here in

2269
01:49:17,550 --> 01:49:13,870
which there's several and well it's you

2270
01:49:21,740 --> 01:49:17,560
know the our our government the

2271
01:49:26,100 --> 01:49:21,750
retaining people have gotten in bed with

2272
01:49:32,040 --> 01:49:26,110
er well just imagine that they continue

2273
01:49:33,870 --> 01:49:32,050
their choice of friends well I'm not

2274
01:49:36,150 --> 01:49:33,880
gonna give away too much I'll just say

2275
01:49:38,910 --> 01:49:36,160
that okay well how about if we take this

2276
01:49:40,830 --> 01:49:38,920
happen if we take this tak you mentioned

2277
01:49:43,200 --> 01:49:40,840
that over the years of being in

2278
01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:43,210
Washington I mean you you did I think

2279
01:49:48,630 --> 01:49:46,330
your post your doctoral work at Lawrence

2280
01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:48,640
Livermore I mean you're a guy that's

2281
01:49:55,500 --> 01:49:53,290
been there you you you rub shoulders and

2282
01:49:59,650 --> 01:49:55,510
worked with some of the top people in

2283
01:50:04,820 --> 01:50:03,020
people you mentioned that you have heard

2284
01:50:08,060 --> 01:50:04,830
over the years some scuttlebutt about

2285
01:50:11,540 --> 01:50:08,070
the UFO subject is there anything that

2286
01:50:17,950 --> 01:50:11,550
you would be able to talk about on the

2287
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:17,960
show well all I heard was scuttlebutt

2288
01:50:26,060 --> 01:50:22,530
when I when I attempted to even follow

2289
01:50:26,900 --> 01:50:26,070
up on some scuttlebutt I got my hands

2290
01:50:34,280 --> 01:50:26,910
laps

2291
01:50:38,480 --> 01:50:34,290
so the you must realize that if there

2292
01:50:41,840 --> 01:50:38,490
was a UFO cover-up let's say let's speak

2293
01:50:45,340 --> 01:50:41,850
hypothetically is part of a compare ment

2294
01:50:48,290 --> 01:50:45,350
alized secret system and government and

2295
01:50:52,790 --> 01:50:48,300
that is a government is solely or is it

2296
01:50:56,240 --> 01:50:52,800
aerospace as well oh oh it would be it's

2297
01:51:01,690 --> 01:50:56,250
the government or but when you say the

2298
01:51:05,480 --> 01:51:01,700
government you don't you know there

2299
01:51:09,350 --> 01:51:05,490
you're speaking of the realm of the

2300
01:51:10,760 --> 01:51:09,360
Intel agencies and things like that yeah

2301
01:51:14,870 --> 01:51:10,770
so you're saying the intelligence

2302
01:51:17,030 --> 01:51:14,880
community science ignore talking if

2303
01:51:19,820 --> 01:51:17,040
let's say hypothetically there was a UFO

2304
01:51:22,970 --> 01:51:19,830
cover-up it would be managed by elements

2305
01:51:27,530 --> 01:51:22,980
within the Intel community who are used

2306
01:51:31,550 --> 01:51:27,540
to keeping things secret and remember

2307
01:51:36,110 --> 01:51:31,560
these guys won world wars the guy just

2308
01:51:41,110 --> 01:51:36,120
set up in a UFO cover-up were busy you

2309
01:51:43,700 --> 01:51:41,120
know out foxing the the Nazis and the

2310
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:43,710
Japanese Empire they were pretty tough

2311
01:51:49,160 --> 01:51:46,010
customers and then they won the Cold War

2312
01:51:50,930 --> 01:51:49,170
so these guys are pros yeah and they

2313
01:51:53,490 --> 01:51:50,940
brought all their top scientists who

2314
01:51:55,170 --> 01:51:53,500
have been doing the various things the

2315
01:51:57,720 --> 01:51:55,180
that are horrific to even think about a

2316
01:52:02,330 --> 01:51:57,730
lot of into this country jumpstart our

2317
01:52:04,860 --> 01:52:02,340
whole program well you know he was a

2318
01:52:06,870 --> 01:52:04,870
commissioned officer in the SS and

2319
01:52:10,260 --> 01:52:06,880
people saw him somehow neglected to

2320
01:52:11,940 --> 01:52:10,270
mention that and he claimed of course he

2321
01:52:13,830 --> 01:52:11,950
was just a piano player he didn't know

2322
01:52:16,710 --> 01:52:13,840
what was going on the one famous case

2323
01:52:19,440 --> 01:52:16,720
though pretty illuminating is one of the

2324
01:52:23,250 --> 01:52:19,450
guys who held on broad-billed to saturn

2325
01:52:25,110 --> 01:52:23,260
v which won the moon race for us the

2326
01:52:28,640 --> 01:52:25,120
Russian moon rocket blew up three times

2327
01:52:32,940 --> 01:52:28,650
on the pad the american saturn v

2328
01:52:34,920 --> 01:52:32,950
succeeded every time but one of the

2329
01:52:37,710 --> 01:52:34,930
people who helped von braun developed a

2330
01:52:40,440 --> 01:52:37,720
saturn v as soon as we landed on the

2331
01:52:41,270 --> 01:52:40,450
moon was about 1975 we made the shocking

2332
01:52:43,770 --> 01:52:41,280
discovery

2333
01:52:46,110 --> 01:52:43,780
that this fellow had been involved in

2334
01:52:48,720 --> 01:52:46,120
running slave labor dance to build v2 s

2335
01:52:51,630 --> 01:52:48,730
during world war ii and it was a

2336
01:52:54,270 --> 01:52:51,640
shocking shocking thing five ten

2337
01:52:58,470 --> 01:52:54,280
thousand people plus died building a

2338
01:53:02,070 --> 01:52:58,480
they estimate to slave laborers died for

2339
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:02,080
every b2 it was produced and this guy

2340
01:53:07,430 --> 01:53:05,290
and this uh turley hideous underground

2341
01:53:09,750 --> 01:53:07,440
factory will have left more he and

2342
01:53:14,880 --> 01:53:09,760
fellow said of the ring that's the best

2343
01:53:17,460 --> 01:53:14,890
way to describe it and and somehow they

2344
01:53:19,860 --> 01:53:17,470
had the story went that they somehow

2345
01:53:22,860 --> 01:53:19,870
were ignorant of his background well he

2346
01:53:24,420 --> 01:53:22,870
was building the saturn v but as soon as

2347
01:53:26,220 --> 01:53:24,430
we landed on the moon the Apollo program

2348
01:53:28,200 --> 01:53:26,230
was over they made the shocking

2349
01:53:31,860 --> 01:53:28,210
discovery that that's he had been

2350
01:53:33,870 --> 01:53:31,870
involved and they took away his metal

2351
01:53:38,190 --> 01:53:33,880
and his US citizenship and ship them

2352
01:53:43,680 --> 01:53:38,200
back to Germany well von Braun managed

2353
01:53:47,820 --> 01:53:43,690
to he he actually been almost executed

2354
01:53:51,570 --> 01:53:47,830
by the Gestapo so they decided MIT he

2355
01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:51,580
was he was khoresht the Gestapo arrested

2356
01:53:55,170 --> 01:53:53,530
in at one point they said they were

2357
01:53:57,330 --> 01:53:55,180
interested in building a rocket to the

2358
01:54:00,750 --> 01:53:57,340
moon and winning the war this world war

2359
01:54:03,900 --> 01:54:00,760
two right so he what do you think of his

2360
01:54:06,750 --> 01:54:03,910
I just imagine that the same kind of

2361
01:54:08,729 --> 01:54:06,760
government attitude would apply

2362
01:54:11,310 --> 01:54:08,739
to some of our visitors from outer space

2363
01:54:14,160 --> 01:54:11,320
so you're convinced that their

2364
01:54:17,729 --> 01:54:14,170
extraterrestrial true off planet you

2365
01:54:19,200 --> 01:54:17,739
know three dimensional oh yeah I'm well

2366
01:54:21,689 --> 01:54:19,210
I'm convinced we're not alone in the

2367
01:54:24,270 --> 01:54:21,699
universe and I'm convinced that other

2368
01:54:26,069 --> 01:54:24,280
any other there are other intelligence

2369
01:54:28,470 --> 01:54:26,079
out there the twelve space travel they

2370
01:54:32,390 --> 01:54:28,480
could come here they can come here and

2371
01:54:34,709 --> 01:54:32,400
they are coming here oh let's say I

2372
01:54:39,180 --> 01:54:34,719
don't think that looks like they are

2373
01:54:43,350 --> 01:54:39,190
coming here it's like what it looks like

2374
01:54:45,419 --> 01:54:43,360
we're coming here on the heroine and I

2375
01:54:47,339 --> 01:54:45,429
said in a novel she says not only are we

2376
01:54:52,799 --> 01:54:47,349
not alone in the universe we're not even

2377
01:55:02,240 --> 01:54:52,809
lonely little boy yes and she's the

2378
01:55:06,390 --> 01:55:02,250
abductee right no she's not the cover

2379
01:55:08,250 --> 01:55:06,400
yes we're Tonsley up there geek they

2380
01:55:14,430 --> 01:55:08,260
want to dunk the pretty ones don't they

2381
01:55:16,169 --> 01:55:14,440
what that the aliens most abductees were

2382
01:55:18,080 --> 01:55:16,179
like kind of overweight middle-aged

2383
01:55:23,009 --> 01:55:18,090
women that had recently been divorced

2384
01:55:26,370 --> 01:55:23,019
Hey here before we talk about divorcees

2385
01:55:28,589 --> 01:55:26,380
and abductees we had dr. John

2386
01:55:30,990 --> 01:55:28,599
Brandenburg joining us this week I'm

2387
01:55:31,560 --> 01:55:31,000
gene Steinberg the co-host is Chris

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01:55:36,090 --> 01:55:31,570
O'Brien

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Brandenburg we've segwayed from Mars to

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UFOs cover-up in fiction and in fact and

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abductees are they really middle-aged

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overweight divorcees or not well I've

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talked to some very lonely women about

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her abduction apologize all the

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good-looking women abductees out there

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that's Chris O'Brien by the way our

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co-host for the para cast it's his fault

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it's always his fault well I won one

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woman I taught you was you know he's

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married and she was very attractive and

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she's also very religious and I talked

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to her you know I had lunch with her and

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she was talking about what had happened

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to her and she made this discovery that

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this is going going on and and I she

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said it has really taken a lot out of me

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for one thing she said the church I

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belong to kind of said I was

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demon-possessed and kicked me out

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because they know me talking about it

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and I said well I said you know I said

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02:01:29,930 --> 02:01:28,160
to her I said well gee you don't look

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02:01:33,130 --> 02:01:29,940
like you've been through anything

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02:01:36,350 --> 02:01:33,140
terrible you look he looked really nice

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02:01:39,320 --> 02:01:36,360
and she had a long black hair she kind

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02:01:41,660 --> 02:01:39,330
of looked like Empire mistress of

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Darkness or something and she said well

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my hair is actually white she says I

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dyed black and she equates the the

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the lack of pigment there - her

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02:01:58,370 --> 02:01:54,540
abduction experiences as well to know

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02:02:01,870 --> 02:01:58,380
when the trauma of reliving what had

2516
02:02:03,980 --> 02:02:01,880
happened to her during her abduction I

2517
02:02:06,020 --> 02:02:03,990
know somebody whose hair turned white

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virtually within a week after a

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02:02:09,890 --> 02:02:08,460
near-death experience after a fatal car

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02:02:12,710 --> 02:02:09,900
accident where she woke up in the morgue

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02:02:15,440 --> 02:02:12,720
literally and I want to apologize to our

2522
02:02:17,210 --> 02:02:15,450
listeners I wasn't making light of the

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02:02:19,850 --> 02:02:17,220
seriousness of the abduction phenomenon

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02:02:22,250 --> 02:02:19,860
this is a real phenomenon people are

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02:02:26,150 --> 02:02:22,260
impacted I mean some some people are

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02:02:28,700 --> 02:02:26,160
scarred for life and this is a serious

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subject and and when I make light of it

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02:02:34,970 --> 02:02:32,880
I do so in the spirit of fun if you

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02:02:36,950 --> 02:02:34,980
could say that because we do have a lot

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of people that are delusional that feel

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that they've also had life oh yeah

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02:02:43,790 --> 02:02:42,390
that's experiences and and and those are

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the ones that I was referring to when I

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when I was talking about maybe

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middle-aged women that needed a life and

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02:02:53,360 --> 02:02:49,290
and and I I didn't mean any disrespect

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02:02:55,220 --> 02:02:53,370
to to the real the real victims of this

2538
02:02:56,360 --> 02:02:55,230
particular phenomenon and it is a real

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02:03:00,350 --> 02:02:56,370
phenomenon and I'll be the first to

2540
02:03:02,300 --> 02:03:00,360
admit that and I think Jean will too is

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02:03:04,370 --> 02:03:02,310
happening but we don't know what's

2542
02:03:07,250 --> 02:03:04,380
really going on but what do you think is

2543
02:03:11,960 --> 02:03:07,260
going on you're the guest John well I

2544
02:03:13,520 --> 02:03:11,970
don't exactly know enough people say

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02:03:15,680 --> 02:03:13,530
this has happened to them you know I've

2546
02:03:18,310 --> 02:03:15,690
talked about Hopkins I read his books

2547
02:03:23,480 --> 02:03:18,320
and I talked to other people who worked

2548
02:03:26,390 --> 02:03:23,490
there was one very superb psychiatrist

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02:03:28,550 --> 02:03:26,400
who discovered some of his patients were

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02:03:31,550 --> 02:03:28,560
reporting the same kind of lurid dreams

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02:03:34,010 --> 02:03:31,560
and I can't remember his name he was

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02:03:38,090 --> 02:03:34,020
then killed mysteriously in Britain and

2553
02:03:41,920 --> 02:03:38,100
John Merrick John Mac yeah I mean they

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02:03:45,530 --> 02:03:41,930
try to take away his tenure at Harvard

2555
02:03:49,610 --> 02:03:45,540
here's a Harvard psychology influencer

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02:03:52,490 --> 02:03:49,620
Prize winner and yeah they they tried to

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02:03:57,370 --> 02:03:52,500
get him off campus and he of course took

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02:04:01,520 --> 02:03:57,380
him to court and sued and they had to

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02:04:04,820 --> 02:04:01,530
withdraw so he and then it was such a

2560
02:04:07,970 --> 02:04:04,830
tragedy he got killed but

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02:04:10,610 --> 02:04:07,980
you know the other words I like LeBeau I

2562
02:04:13,370 --> 02:04:10,620
think these people were very solid I'm

2563
02:04:16,370 --> 02:04:13,380
not a psychiatrist all I do is I talk

2564
02:04:20,900 --> 02:04:16,380
through several people who felt this

2565
02:04:23,090 --> 02:04:20,910
happened to them and you know I being a

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02:04:24,470 --> 02:04:23,100
scientist I have to be able to learn

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02:04:26,630 --> 02:04:24,480
when people are telling the truth or

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02:04:28,520 --> 02:04:26,640
when they're not I mean we're you know

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02:04:32,630 --> 02:04:28,530
if it's look ill we're in these only

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02:04:36,410 --> 02:04:32,640
people make up stuff in science and I

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02:04:38,270 --> 02:04:36,420
people ride talk to nice actually spend

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02:04:41,210 --> 02:04:38,280
time talking to there are a few people I

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02:04:43,040 --> 02:04:41,220
thought well this person I don't know

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02:04:44,570 --> 02:04:43,050
what's wrong with them but they're

2575
02:04:46,550 --> 02:04:44,580
they're obviously been terribly

2576
02:04:48,680 --> 02:04:46,560
traumatized by something who knows what

2577
02:04:53,140 --> 02:04:48,690
it is but there were a few people I I

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02:04:56,000 --> 02:04:53,150
actually spent time talking to and who

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02:04:58,190 --> 02:04:56,010
invents me that they they were

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02:05:02,360 --> 02:04:58,200
absolutely convinced because it happened

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02:05:06,050 --> 02:05:02,370
to them and that helped me like the

2582
02:05:07,670 --> 02:05:06,060
novel well what do you think the agenda

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02:05:11,240 --> 02:05:07,680
is if these if these experiences are

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02:05:13,610 --> 02:05:11,250
real why our spacefaring entities from

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02:05:16,580 --> 02:05:13,620
from from out there in the cosmos coming

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02:05:20,660 --> 02:05:16,590
here in conducting medieval quality

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02:05:23,510 --> 02:05:20,670
experiments the fixation on genetics

2588
02:05:26,260 --> 02:05:23,520
ANOVA that's a very good question I

2589
02:05:28,400 --> 02:05:26,270
attempt to answer that in the novel I

2590
02:05:33,050 --> 02:05:28,410
can't wait to read it this is definitely

2591
02:05:38,570 --> 02:05:33,060
on my muscle in fact that that that fact

2592
02:05:41,750 --> 02:05:38,580
that people kind of figure out what the

2593
02:05:45,740 --> 02:05:41,760
agenda is really bring down the UFO

2594
02:05:49,160 --> 02:05:45,750
cover-up it can't be interesting okay

2595
02:05:51,770 --> 02:05:49,170
you're gentle you gave our potential

2596
02:05:55,270 --> 02:05:51,780
readers a little clue there yeah it

2597
02:05:57,560 --> 02:05:55,280
cannot survive that revelation basically

2598
02:06:00,230 --> 02:05:57,570
let me ask you a really specific

2599
02:06:02,360 --> 02:06:00,240
question here though how widespread do

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02:06:03,650 --> 02:06:02,370
you think abductions are I mean if you

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02:06:06,170 --> 02:06:03,660
believe some of these people who are

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02:06:07,670 --> 02:06:06,180
abduction researchers hundreds of

2603
02:06:09,710 --> 02:06:07,680
thousands of millions of people have

2604
02:06:11,510 --> 02:06:09,720
been abducted which seems kind of

2605
02:06:15,380 --> 02:06:11,520
outrageous to me what do you think

2606
02:06:18,280 --> 02:06:15,390
well well I I think it's a very

2607
02:06:24,630 --> 02:06:18,290
difficult phenomenon to trying

2608
02:06:28,570 --> 02:06:24,640
good citizen I don't it seems it seems

2609
02:06:31,180 --> 02:06:28,580
as if it is a widespread phenomenally

2610
02:06:32,650 --> 02:06:31,190
some of the upper numbers but let me

2611
02:06:34,390 --> 02:06:32,660
tell you something that hat well they

2612
02:06:37,150 --> 02:06:34,400
found not happened during the Cold War

2613
02:06:39,510 --> 02:06:37,160
just to give me an example of some

2614
02:06:42,280 --> 02:06:39,520
things that some large organizations do

2615
02:06:44,380 --> 02:06:42,290
they found out the Russians were trying

2616
02:06:46,780 --> 02:06:44,390
to monitor all of the long-distance

2617
02:06:48,640 --> 02:06:46,790
phone traffic in the United States

2618
02:06:51,250 --> 02:06:48,650
because it was being carried by

2619
02:06:53,530 --> 02:06:51,260
microwaves they found out the Russians

2620
02:06:55,660 --> 02:06:53,540
had kind of Dragoon every

2621
02:06:58,180 --> 02:06:55,670
english-speaking person they could find

2622
02:06:59,950 --> 02:06:58,190
ahead of them listening to long-distance

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02:07:05,380 --> 02:06:59,960
phone conversations and trying to

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02:07:08,170 --> 02:07:05,390
develop dossiers freak American and can

2625
02:07:12,610 --> 02:07:08,180
you imagine the amount of effort that

2626
02:07:16,030 --> 02:07:12,620
they put into that and then when as soon

2627
02:07:17,440 --> 02:07:16,040
as they the Intel agencies found out

2628
02:07:20,050 --> 02:07:17,450
this is what the Russians are doing they

2629
02:07:22,780 --> 02:07:20,060
merely scrambled the microwave signals

2630
02:07:26,380 --> 02:07:22,790
just couldn't do it anymore but

2631
02:07:30,610 --> 02:07:26,390
apparently they spent probably a million

2632
02:07:35,380 --> 02:07:30,620
man-hours Wow dutifully trying to do

2633
02:07:37,630 --> 02:07:35,390
well I'm just giving you an example the

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02:07:41,080 --> 02:07:37,640
lengths that some organizations will do

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02:07:43,030 --> 02:07:41,090
those are earthly organizations and the

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02:07:46,360 --> 02:07:43,040
other my other favorite was when they

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were more Cold War ended and the Russian

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Iron Curtain collapsed they found whole

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warehouse was full of new German money

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that the Russians were distributing in

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West Germany was a contradict they

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printed up tons and tons of the paper

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money hill for the new the new order

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okay yeah don't invest in Iraqi dinars

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that's right but anyway but but anyway I

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02:08:20,080 --> 02:08:19,310
tried to just connect the talks as best

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02:08:21,820 --> 02:08:20,090
I could

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02:08:24,160 --> 02:08:21,830
I'll tell you what we have dots to

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connect to more segments of dot

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connector or here we have dr. John

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Brandenburg

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our co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

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Steinberg you're in the para Gus is

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there a secret UFO agenda two strange

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creatures from the darkest corners of

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the mind roam the earth is there

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evidence for mind control time travel or

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co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

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steinberger in the para cast so Chris

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why'd you pick up on what we're doing so

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02:13:29,730 --> 02:13:26,530
far with this surprising turn for this

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02:13:31,020 --> 02:13:29,740
interview I'll say I'm enjoying it

2760
02:13:34,230 --> 02:13:31,030
thoroughly this is great having you on

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John it's we should I think I'd agree

2762
02:13:38,970 --> 02:13:36,460
it's really great being on your show no

2763
02:13:40,740 --> 02:13:38,980
this is this is really I'm trying to I'm

2764
02:13:42,900 --> 02:13:40,750
trying to give you guys the straightest

2765
02:13:45,930 --> 02:13:42,910
answers I can you're doing a great job

2766
02:13:48,270 --> 02:13:45,940
and you're you're very you're very

2767
02:13:50,370 --> 02:13:48,280
careful on how you say things which I

2768
02:13:52,260 --> 02:13:50,380
appreciate and and you're very

2769
02:13:55,350 --> 02:13:52,270
circumspect about it and and this is

2770
02:13:57,470 --> 02:13:55,360
this is good this is a good thing yeah

2771
02:14:01,140 --> 02:13:57,480
so I have publicly reported things

2772
02:14:03,480 --> 02:14:01,150
there's a lot of ground you can cover

2773
02:14:09,330 --> 02:14:03,490
just based on the public record

2774
02:14:11,640 --> 02:14:09,340
you know like in 1990 54 you had I was

2775
02:14:14,670 --> 02:14:11,650
really watching DC and I imagine what it

2776
02:14:17,430 --> 02:14:14,680
must have been like to have UFOs flying

2777
02:14:20,610 --> 02:14:17,440
over the US Capitol every night pursued

2778
02:14:24,900 --> 02:14:20,620
by the jet fighters we had at the time

2779
02:14:26,940 --> 02:14:24,910
and you know the Air Force saying every

2780
02:14:28,970 --> 02:14:26,950
day in press conferences there's just

2781
02:14:31,140 --> 02:14:28,980
there's nothing to it there's just

2782
02:14:33,810 --> 02:14:31,150
there's you know thermal inversion

2783
02:14:36,870 --> 02:14:33,820
there's something like this vault and

2784
02:14:38,250 --> 02:14:36,880
Lance returns false returns and then

2785
02:14:39,780 --> 02:14:38,260
having jet fight you know people

2786
02:14:43,710 --> 02:14:39,790
watching a broad daylight jet fighters

2787
02:14:45,780 --> 02:14:43,720
chasing these things then the Air Force

2788
02:14:48,540 --> 02:14:45,790
made it strange announcement that said

2789
02:14:51,560 --> 02:14:48,550
any unknown aircraft over the airspace

2790
02:14:56,160 --> 02:14:51,570
of the capital will be fired upon

2791
02:14:57,900 --> 02:14:56,170
yeah and aperture inversions be careful

2792
02:14:59,770 --> 02:14:57,910
you're gonna fire start firing on these

2793
02:15:04,360 --> 02:14:59,780
temperature inversions and

2794
02:15:08,940 --> 02:15:04,370
and the story is they actually did and

2795
02:15:11,560 --> 02:15:08,950
that's what I ended the work like yeah

2796
02:15:13,450 --> 02:15:11,570
dog out of the yard you know here's a

2797
02:15:15,700 --> 02:15:13,460
question for you now you're you're a

2798
02:15:18,940 --> 02:15:15,710
scientist you're someone who I think I

2799
02:15:21,100 --> 02:15:18,950
would really enjoy networking with a

2800
02:15:22,990 --> 02:15:21,110
little bit picking your brain getting

2801
02:15:24,580 --> 02:15:23,000
some ideas we mentioned the San Luis

2802
02:15:28,200 --> 02:15:24,590
Valley before and I'm getting I'm

2803
02:15:32,800 --> 02:15:28,210
putting in a 7 camera hi wet Raz

2804
02:15:35,740 --> 02:15:32,810
surveillance net 24/7 around the San

2805
02:15:37,720 --> 02:15:35,750
Luis Valley and it'd be great to help

2806
02:15:39,760 --> 02:15:37,730
designing some optical physics

2807
02:15:42,730 --> 02:15:39,770
experiments that we could use in

2808
02:15:45,330 --> 02:15:42,740
conjunction with a a you know an optical

2809
02:15:48,820 --> 02:15:45,340
well I would process one thing I would

2810
02:15:52,570 --> 02:15:48,830
see if you can get infrared as well as

2811
02:15:56,140 --> 02:15:52,580
visible young an ultraviolet sensitive

2812
02:15:59,500 --> 02:15:56,150
cameras because usually when people try

2813
02:16:02,140 --> 02:15:59,510
to suppress using technological means

2814
02:16:03,750 --> 02:16:02,150
they try to suppress their image in one

2815
02:16:06,070 --> 02:16:03,760
part of the spectrum

2816
02:16:08,110 --> 02:16:06,080
sometimes they makes themselves more

2817
02:16:11,140 --> 02:16:08,120
clearly visible in other parts you know

2818
02:16:12,520 --> 02:16:11,150
right like they're there let's say

2819
02:16:16,000 --> 02:16:12,530
somebody you figured out how to

2820
02:16:18,280 --> 02:16:16,010
camouflage themselves in the visible I

2821
02:16:21,160 --> 02:16:18,290
think you know the British know hid that

2822
02:16:23,590 --> 02:16:21,170
tank in plain sight yeah the birdies

2823
02:16:25,990 --> 02:16:23,600
figured out of what kind of camouflage

2824
02:16:28,660 --> 02:16:26,000
on tanks so they could make they had the

2825
02:16:30,370 --> 02:16:28,670
tank that half disappeared was driving

2826
02:16:32,560 --> 02:16:30,380
around and then half of it disappeared I

2827
02:16:35,320 --> 02:16:32,570
mean it was in a distance so people

2828
02:16:38,050 --> 02:16:35,330
couldn't get a close look at it but but

2829
02:16:39,670 --> 02:16:38,060
if suppose you have something like that

2830
02:16:44,260 --> 02:16:39,680
but then you're looking at it in

2831
02:16:47,740 --> 02:16:44,270
infrared it actually gets brighter right

2832
02:16:50,020 --> 02:16:47,750
exactly or even though to make it more

2833
02:16:54,310 --> 02:16:50,030
bright in the infrared yeah yeah or

2834
02:16:57,070 --> 02:16:54,320
radar radar which is part part of the

2835
02:17:02,940 --> 02:16:57,080
the idea what would you how would you

2836
02:17:05,440 --> 02:17:02,950
advise a team of civilian hard data

2837
02:17:08,530 --> 02:17:05,450
investigators out in in the field in a

2838
02:17:09,970 --> 02:17:08,540
hot spot area with a really good

2839
02:17:11,770 --> 02:17:09,980
likelihood chance that they're going to

2840
02:17:14,910 --> 02:17:11,780
be able to capture some hard data

2841
02:17:17,500 --> 02:17:14,920
what sort of advice would you have for

2842
02:17:20,500 --> 02:17:17,510
forth I would I would try and get as

2843
02:17:23,680 --> 02:17:20,510
much different air channels as you could

2844
02:17:25,600 --> 02:17:23,690
get you know visible white see if you

2845
02:17:27,759 --> 02:17:25,610
can get infrared cameras I've got some

2846
02:17:30,400 --> 02:17:27,769
very good infrared cameras now they do

2847
02:17:32,049 --> 02:17:30,410
pretty cheap and you know in the

2848
02:17:33,790 --> 02:17:32,059
military developed them and now they're

2849
02:17:38,230 --> 02:17:33,800
commercially available and then also

2850
02:17:41,980 --> 02:17:38,240
things like magnetometers you know

2851
02:17:45,129 --> 02:17:41,990
sensitive magnetometers mom and if

2852
02:17:47,259 --> 02:17:45,139
they're actually coming up with graviton

2853
02:17:49,620 --> 02:17:47,269
blurs now they're sold are you familiar

2854
02:17:53,049 --> 02:17:49,630
with the work of Ray Stanford

2855
02:17:54,940 --> 02:17:53,059
yes yes I actually had had some nice

2856
02:17:57,790 --> 02:17:54,950
interchange for a state for many years

2857
02:17:59,830 --> 02:17:57,800
ago come on he's still at it believe it

2858
02:18:01,030 --> 02:17:59,840
or not he's the only civilian to my

2859
02:18:02,650 --> 02:18:01,040
knowledge that's been able to get

2860
02:18:07,750 --> 02:18:02,660
Gravatt ometer and magnetometer data

2861
02:18:09,070 --> 02:18:07,760
along with all the great data great what

2862
02:18:11,799 --> 02:18:09,080
do you think of that electromagnetic

2863
02:18:14,070 --> 02:18:11,809
signal and graviton or signal or

2864
02:18:16,570 --> 02:18:14,080
coincidence you know that the UFO

2865
02:18:20,230 --> 02:18:16,580
decided to take off and so he had a big

2866
02:18:23,860 --> 02:18:20,240
spike in big electromagnetic pulse

2867
02:18:26,110 --> 02:18:23,870
associated with the UFO taking off you

2868
02:18:27,879 --> 02:18:26,120
know leaving the scene so you feel that

2869
02:18:29,950 --> 02:18:27,889
that was real that was real scientific

2870
02:18:32,799 --> 02:18:29,960
viable data and then the way it was

2871
02:18:35,110 --> 02:18:32,809
presented to you yeah I mean it was

2872
02:18:37,060 --> 02:18:35,120
informally presented to me and it would

2873
02:18:44,020 --> 02:18:37,070
be some of his stuff and I was quite

2874
02:18:45,910 --> 02:18:44,030
impressed and and I I do research I'm a

2875
02:18:48,310 --> 02:18:45,920
plasma physicist so I deal with all four

2876
02:18:51,580 --> 02:18:48,320
magnetic fields and gravity is part of

2877
02:18:54,220 --> 02:18:51,590
astrophysics and going on so it's quite

2878
02:18:56,020 --> 02:18:54,230
natural I would try and I would assume

2879
02:18:58,629 --> 02:18:56,030
the same thing nice time did the two

2880
02:19:01,839 --> 02:18:58,639
feelings can be unified I strongly

2881
02:19:04,750 --> 02:19:01,849
believe that I'm close we are to the

2882
02:19:08,850 --> 02:19:04,760
unified field are we close to unifying

2883
02:19:13,120 --> 02:19:08,860
some of these always made great progress

2884
02:19:16,180 --> 02:19:13,130
Einstein's you know life my conviction

2885
02:19:19,180 --> 02:19:16,190
now is that Einstein was right they can

2886
02:19:20,581 --> 02:19:19,190
unified unfortunately Einstein didn't

2887
02:19:24,451 --> 02:19:20,591
like quality

2888
02:19:28,770 --> 02:19:24,461
so the people who made the most progress

2889
02:19:30,630 --> 02:19:28,780
for Sakharov Russian scientists also

2890
02:19:35,340 --> 02:19:30,640
helped put off in this country you've

2891
02:19:39,810 --> 02:19:35,350
heard of him oh yeah yeah and he is

2892
02:19:42,810 --> 02:19:39,820
funny we all get the people like you

2893
02:19:46,791 --> 02:19:42,820
know how pulled off and I wind up on the

2894
02:19:50,041 --> 02:19:46,801
frontiers of human science we all end up

2895
02:19:52,940 --> 02:19:50,051
confronting the UFO problem and Mars and

2896
02:19:55,650 --> 02:19:52,950
things like fact stuffs it doesn't it

2897
02:19:59,310 --> 02:19:55,660
what the stuff that doesn't quite fit

2898
02:20:01,531 --> 02:19:59,320
the stuff that doesn't quite fit but the

2899
02:20:03,421 --> 02:20:01,541
really fascinating thing was that

2900
02:20:05,701 --> 02:20:03,431
Einstein tried you know over the last 30

2901
02:20:07,261 --> 02:20:05,711
years of his life to unify the fields

2902
02:20:09,211 --> 02:20:07,271
that's what we in fact would get the

2903
02:20:12,720 --> 02:20:09,221
firm unified field theory was from him

2904
02:20:16,491 --> 02:20:12,730
and it started out being a quite

2905
02:20:18,961 --> 02:20:16,501
respectable thing to do but Einstein

2906
02:20:21,751 --> 02:20:18,971
because he was such a he was such a

2907
02:20:24,751 --> 02:20:21,761
rebel he even were ultimately rebelled

2908
02:20:27,091 --> 02:20:24,761
against his own the physics community he

2909
02:20:30,600 --> 02:20:27,101
was part of he didn't lock quantum

2910
02:20:32,581 --> 02:20:30,610
mechanics he rejected it and basically

2911
02:20:34,201 --> 02:20:32,591
tried to unify the fields without a lot

2912
02:20:36,360 --> 02:20:34,211
of mechanics and it looks like it was

2913
02:20:41,220 --> 02:20:36,370
essential the person who made the most

2914
02:20:45,720 --> 02:20:41,230
progress recently was sakarov Henry

2915
02:20:50,190 --> 02:20:45,730
Sokolov who was the guy who invented the

2916
02:20:52,320 --> 02:20:50,200
Russian hydrogen bomb and so he

2917
02:20:54,871 --> 02:20:52,330
basically took quantum mechanical

2918
02:21:00,230 --> 02:20:54,881
principles and was able to make some

2919
02:21:07,020 --> 02:21:03,570
it's a it's just a fascinating field I

2920
02:21:09,511 --> 02:21:07,030
could spend another two hours talking

2921
02:21:12,770 --> 02:21:09,521
about just it but yeah easily it's

2922
02:21:15,150 --> 02:21:12,780
particularly relevant because of the UFO

2923
02:21:19,190 --> 02:21:15,160
question because many of the things

2924
02:21:22,020 --> 02:21:19,200
people report it looks like the craft

2925
02:21:27,381 --> 02:21:22,030
have very strong electromagnetic fields

2926
02:21:29,331 --> 02:21:27,391
around them in fact they seem to be

2927
02:21:32,751 --> 02:21:29,341
induction fields that are rotating

2928
02:21:34,301 --> 02:21:32,761
several people I talk to you saw that uh

2929
02:21:38,171 --> 02:21:34,311
you know

2930
02:21:40,870 --> 02:21:38,181
in southwest bushes beneath the saucer

2931
02:21:46,690 --> 02:21:40,880
would swirl as if there was a big women

2932
02:21:51,520 --> 02:21:46,700
but there was no wind and it's just a

2933
02:21:54,430 --> 02:21:51,530
very intriguing puzzle as a physicist to

2934
02:21:56,980 --> 02:21:54,440
speculate how such a craft would

2935
02:22:00,940 --> 02:21:56,990
actually be propelled and of course what

2936
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cast our co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm

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gene Steinberg and in Assen once again

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we'll have Stanton T Friedman returning

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to the power cast after a long absence

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on next week's show Chris has 10,000

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questions to ask him and maybe dr.

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Brandenburg will give us a few good yeah

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any ideas for questions for first and

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ask him what he thought of Morningstar

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past I gave a copy but he said John this

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is a very thick book I'll put up read by

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the way really and he really liked it he

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really liked it he said it was Warren

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peace now helpful in office it has a

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Russian heritage so I considered that a

3072
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great a great compliment in fact now you

3073
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understand why we're breaking it up

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Andrew trilogy because it's actually

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it's in three sections on the novel but

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if we break it up into trilogy at least

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the print will be bigger and people

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won't be so intimidated by it actually

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two two guys who read it said this is

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Warren peace you know know like

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technologies were in peace I love it

3082
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yeah ufology one they called it the

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Warren peace and a beautiful fiction and

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and so so I actually broke down I read

3085
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war and peace and I was very pleased

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that people would say that because war

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peace was truly a great novel and oh

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what's what's interesting is I'll Syria

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one little bit of scale but I heard that

3090
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was really funny about the UFO cover-up

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what was the Russian side of the

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overcome and during the Cold War

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apparently the Russians attitude about

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UFOs was the anything he had identified

3095
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flying object over the Soviet Union is

3096
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probably Americans yeah of course I knew

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that was coming they would just scramble

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all the MiG's they could and Russian

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fighter pilots very brave very likely

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the World War two veterans at that point

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they lost a lot of pigs apparently but

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they finally succeeded or bringing down

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a saucer and they opened it up

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the Americans key Americans no wait a

3105
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minute wait a minute are you saying that

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that's the you're not saying that you

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heard that that happened oh you did well

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that's interesting

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a pair of cast listeners take note the

3110
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Russians brought down you have an

3111
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approximate time frame on this oh it was

3112
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my guess and yeah they weren't quite

3113
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surprised it was not Americans in

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silence thing and they had their you owe

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me thanks they bungled it off to site 51

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ski and this is serious we're talking

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about the real thing here now yeah yeah

3118
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I just clarify just think I got him to

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clarify that sure so I owe you have the

3120
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Russian there's a whole different side

3121
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of the whole UFO question and that is

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the Russian side Russians have different

3123
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attitude about these things Americans

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did well in the paranormal in general I

3125
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mean look at their psychic psyops

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programs and and you know going into

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microwave the woodpecker signal they

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were lightyears ahead of us that's why

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others in the 70s but so so you really

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feel the Russians have are sitting on

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02:30:43,969 --> 02:30:42,390
quite a body of information do you ever

3134
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see any sort of disclosure process

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possibly coming from Josh do you know

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that the guy is running Russia now is

3137
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former KGB he hated and the Russians

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have a much different heritage in fact

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in in the novel I wrote I have a lot of

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a lot of the action takes place in

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Russia hardly because of the background

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or one of the women involved and it's

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let's just say the Russians have a great

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conspiratorial heritage they look on

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national secrecy national defense

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secrets kind of much more seriously than

3147
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we do let me put it this way there was a

3148
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Russian former KGB agent who was talking

3149
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sort of white

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WikiLeaks kind of mode in Britain and

3151
02:31:38,690 --> 02:31:33,990
they apparently told asked him politely

3152
02:31:41,831 --> 02:31:38,700
to keep his mouth shut and then suddenly

3153
02:31:45,081 --> 02:31:41,841
he came down with a very acute case of

3154
02:31:48,411 --> 02:31:45,091
polonium-210 poisoning yeah and he

3155
02:31:50,211 --> 02:31:48,421
didn't last night no he didn't people

3156
02:31:53,841 --> 02:31:50,221
said he how did he manage to get

3157
02:31:56,150 --> 02:31:53,851
poisoned by polonium 210 only eight

3158
02:31:58,220 --> 02:31:56,160
governments like the United States or

3159
02:32:00,711 --> 02:31:58,230
Russians could actually cruise that much

3160
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polonium-210 a nuclear reactor give it

3161
02:32:08,570 --> 02:32:06,271
to somebody and the Russians just said

3162
02:32:09,470 --> 02:32:08,580
well isn't that peculiar we told him to

3163
02:32:12,801 --> 02:32:09,480
be quiet

3164
02:32:15,081 --> 02:32:12,811
yeah that's pretty Harold of him was

3165
02:32:18,200 --> 02:32:15,091
pretty harrowing video you know I'm sure

3166
02:32:24,161 --> 02:32:18,210
you've seen the video of his horse

3167
02:32:26,690 --> 02:32:24,171
erratic but being his he was former KGB

3168
02:32:32,530 --> 02:32:26,700
he you know he's been warned

3169
02:32:36,860 --> 02:32:35,480
so let's say there was a Russian with

3170
02:32:42,081 --> 02:32:36,870
the Russians were aware of the whole

3171
02:32:44,780 --> 02:32:42,091
year if you read who's what course I'll

3172
02:32:47,780 --> 02:32:44,790
fill of course over the book yeah yeah

3173
02:32:53,600 --> 02:32:47,790
the day after as well the day after

3174
02:32:56,421 --> 02:32:53,610
Roswell and he was a he was a

3175
02:32:58,190 --> 02:32:56,431
fascinating character and you know he he

3176
02:33:01,700 --> 02:32:58,200
called a snart people questioned his

3177
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veracity ain't called a stenographer to

3178
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embed inside swore out a statement

3179
02:33:07,400 --> 02:33:05,641
saying that for the best of his

3180
02:33:11,900 --> 02:33:07,410
recollection everything he couldn't add

3181
02:33:16,911 --> 02:33:11,910
work was true and but what was

3182
02:33:20,030 --> 02:33:16,921
fascinating about Corsos was he said

3183
02:33:22,190 --> 02:33:20,040
that during the Cold War one of the

3184
02:33:24,230 --> 02:33:22,200
reasons we kept such as herb Lee a huge

3185
02:33:29,060 --> 02:33:24,240
stockpile of nuclear weapons on both

3186
02:33:31,041 --> 02:33:29,070
sides was to deter not just each other

3187
02:33:33,490 --> 02:33:31,051
for a nuclear war but an

3188
02:33:38,380 --> 02:33:33,500
extraterrestrial invasion

3189
02:33:40,090 --> 02:33:38,390
as if et would care what's that would

3190
02:33:44,800 --> 02:33:40,100
eat even care about our nuclear weapons

3191
02:33:48,130 --> 02:33:44,810
I mean really well-paid care about

3192
02:33:49,630 --> 02:33:48,140
nuclear weapons if they're you know ten

3193
02:33:52,390 --> 02:33:49,640
thousand years more advanced than we are

3194
02:33:54,820 --> 02:33:52,400
they have weapons far beyond those of

3195
02:33:57,610 --> 02:33:54,830
anything that we can conceive hey we are

3196
02:34:00,010 --> 02:33:57,620
almost at our time John we're almost out

3197
02:34:01,870 --> 02:34:00,020
of time these kinds of questions are

3198
02:34:03,520 --> 02:34:01,880
actually I tried to address them as best

3199
02:34:06,790 --> 02:34:03,530
I could in the novel and in

3200
02:34:09,670 --> 02:34:06,800
scientifically verifiable fashion but

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02:34:13,660 --> 02:34:09,680
you know all you end up with is big

3202
02:34:15,250 --> 02:34:13,670
questions big questions you know more

3203
02:34:17,560 --> 02:34:15,260
questions and answers that's a what we

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02:34:18,580 --> 02:34:17,570
have two minutes left they have done we

3205
02:34:21,130 --> 02:34:18,590
have two minutes left

3206
02:34:23,400 --> 02:34:21,140
tell our listeners about the new book

3207
02:34:26,410 --> 02:34:23,410
life and death on Mars and new market

3208
02:34:28,660 --> 02:34:26,420
the new Mars synthesis I tried to put

3209
02:34:31,180 --> 02:34:28,670
together the whole story of Mars based

3210
02:34:34,990 --> 02:34:31,190
on the latest Mars science and my own

3211
02:34:38,350 --> 02:34:35,000
role in it and a new discovery that

3212
02:34:40,000 --> 02:34:38,360
apparently have to followed Mars when

3213
02:34:43,360 --> 02:34:40,010
Mars climate change from being

3214
02:34:45,970 --> 02:34:43,370
earth-like to what it is now because of

3215
02:34:47,920 --> 02:34:45,980
the asteroid impact apparently then

3216
02:34:52,110 --> 02:34:47,930
there was Mars wracked by a very

3217
02:34:57,070 --> 02:34:52,120
mysterious and massive nuclear explosion

3218
02:35:00,220 --> 02:34:57,080
and we think we can explain it naturally

3219
02:35:03,640 --> 02:35:00,230
let's exercise well it's very mysterious

3220
02:35:05,290 --> 02:35:03,650
very peculiar it should be investing in

3221
02:35:07,050 --> 02:35:05,300
fur and that's right where I'm at in the

3222
02:35:12,250 --> 02:35:07,060
book I can't wait to finish it tonight

3223
02:35:14,560 --> 02:35:12,260
all right well it's been great you guys

3224
02:35:21,010 --> 02:35:14,570
hey do you have a website we can check

3225
02:35:22,630 --> 02:35:21,020
out let my website expire it's uh so

3226
02:35:25,600 --> 02:35:22,640
unfortunately the best place to do it

3227
02:35:28,990 --> 02:35:25,610
was just you know amazon.com and they

3228
02:35:30,490 --> 02:35:29,000
just look up little books you know

3229
02:35:33,820 --> 02:35:30,500
Morningstar paths collapsed UFO

3230
02:35:37,120 --> 02:35:33,830
cover-ups on amazon.com so it was the

3231
02:35:39,450 --> 02:35:37,130
prequel to it by the way asteroid 20 -

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02:35:45,389 --> 02:35:39,460
2012 Cipolla nah

3233
02:35:47,550 --> 02:35:45,399
oh gee why would somebody in the

3234
02:35:49,969 --> 02:35:47,560
government approach them well because of

3235
02:35:52,650 --> 02:35:49,979
the asteroid thing they were involved in

3236
02:35:56,150 --> 02:35:52,660
otherwise how about them asteroids they

3237
02:35:59,550 --> 02:35:56,160
can be well any dangers if this if my

3238
02:36:03,030 --> 02:35:59,560
synthesis is true about the collapse of

3239
02:36:06,510 --> 02:36:03,040
my climate and you better pay careful

3240
02:36:10,110 --> 02:36:06,520
attention to asteroids yeah it may be

3241
02:36:13,380 --> 02:36:10,120
the biggest danger to intelligent life

3242
02:36:15,030 --> 02:36:13,390
like us or in the universe hey Sam Ryan

3243
02:36:19,469 --> 02:36:15,040
tell us where we can find more of the

3244
02:36:21,960 --> 02:36:19,479
stuff you do oh just on that Tundra

3245
02:36:24,210 --> 02:36:21,970
brennenburg Jim theory gravity

3246
02:36:25,889 --> 02:36:24,220
electromagnetism yeah we got like recent

3247
02:36:28,410 --> 02:36:25,899
rapid and we're wrapping it up the our

3248
02:36:30,990 --> 02:36:28,420
strange planet is my website our strange

3249
02:36:32,939 --> 02:36:31,000
planet calm it is a strange planet come

3250
02:36:34,650 --> 02:36:32,949
there and visit and keep up to speed on

3251
02:36:37,650 --> 02:36:34,660
what's going on the San Luis Valley and

3252
02:36:40,410 --> 02:36:37,660
I want to thank dr. Brandenburg this is

3253
02:36:43,469 --> 02:36:40,420
the time is just flown by we got to have

3254
02:36:45,960 --> 02:36:43,479
you back a great Grouch in the surface

3255
02:36:48,179 --> 02:36:45,970
I really appreciate coming out and being

3256
02:36:51,120 --> 02:36:48,189
able to talk about this stuff with us

3257
02:36:53,490 --> 02:36:51,130
and and much luck and success on the new

3258
02:37:04,600 --> 02:36:53,500
book dr. John Brandenburg thanks for

3259
02:37:09,170 --> 02:37:06,800
apparently the presentation of making